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[DNSOP] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: Re: AD review draft-ietf-tls-svcb-ech

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Fri, 04 October 2024 19:48 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Erik Nygren <erik+ietf@nygren.org>, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Thread-Topic: [DNSOP] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: Re: AD review draft-ietf-tls-svcb-ech
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This is explicitly prohibited rfc9460 as it would provide linkability.

So what?  We’re not the protocol police and if someone wants to track, RFC9460 compliance isn’t going to stop them. Especially for something as controversial as ECH.

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