[EToSat] In-band and Under-band

"Border, John" <John.Border@hughes.com> Tue, 26 March 2019 16:37 UTC

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From: "Border, John" <John.Border@hughes.com>
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Subject: [EToSat] In-band and Under-band
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     My current thinking is there are two high level classes of solutions for making QUIC work well over satellite:

Hooks in the protocol which can adapt to large BDPs where both the bandwidth and the latency are large.

Capabilities (such as LOOPS) under the protocol to improve performance over specific links of the path.


Somewhat motherhood and apple pie, but...


John