Re: [Extra] IMAP4rev2 , \recent and search new

"Bron Gondwana" <brong@fastmailteam.com> Tue, 29 October 2019 11:14 UTC

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:13:50 +1100
From: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>
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Subject: Re: [Extra] IMAP4rev2 , \recent and search new
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, at 22:12, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> On 28/10/2019 20:54, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> 
> > On Monday 28 October 2019 21:33:57 CET, Brandon Long wrote:
> >> Using UNSEEN seems like a different type of lie, it is closer to what 
> >> \Recent means... but since they both existed, one would think the 
> >> difference between them may be what people consider useful.
> >
> > I suggested (optionally) aliasing it to UNSEEN since it seemed to me 
> > that any client that issues SEARCH NEW would want the search resunt to 
> > sometimes be nonempty.
> 
> Maybe we should just deprecate NEW and add some explanatory text?

I think deprecate NEW and allow it to always return empty is right (with the text of course).

Bron.

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