Re: [ietf-privacy] ITU, DPI, and Deliberate Obscurity

Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Tue, 11 December 2012 17:01 UTC

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From: Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com>
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To: Allison Mankin <allison.mankin@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [ietf-privacy] ITU, DPI, and Deliberate Obscurity
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On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Allison Mankin <allison.mankin@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Another non-onerous encryption approach I'm finding quite compelling:  tcpcrypt (tcpcrypt.org).
> 
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> wrote:
> I think there are in fact ways to have encryption that are not onerous to users. Secure HTTP encrypts, although having a standard certificate given everybody is not the most "private" way to do things. Diffie-Helman encrypts without user involvement. If we put our thinking caps on, I suspect we could find a way to encrypt that isn't onerous.
> 

Yes, I really like tcpcrypt in concept. The "security" people I've talked to about tcpcrypt dismissed it rather glibly, but it seems to me that widespread use of tcpcrypt is both feasible and rewarding in its impact on casual inspection and consequent change of expectations. 

--
Dean

[ietf-privacy] ITU, DPI, and Deliberate Obscurity Dean Willis
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