Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 07 November 2017 09:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 04:14:27 -0500
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On Nov 7, 2017, at 3:59 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > As an input there, (not that you'll be short of them:-),,, I > hope that ISOC don't differentiate too much between government > surveillance and corporate surveillance. While the latter > may have some fig-leaf of so-called "consent" or clicked-EULA, > it's the same information being gathered/centralised etc. (And > of course the latter form of surveillance can nicely feed the > former when companies are compelled.) > > I realise that commenting on corporate surveillance might be > harder for ISOC and IETFers as we end up criticising basically > ourselves/our-employers, but ISTM that logic and consistency > call for doing just that. +1
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Randy Bush
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Doug Royer
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Paul Wouters
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Alia Atlas
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Alia Atlas
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Rich Kulawiec
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Alia Atlas
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revise IS… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Rich Kulawiec
- Re: ISOC money, was Proposal to revise ISOC's mis… John Levine
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… Russ Housley
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… Sam Hartman
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… ned+ietf
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… John C Klensin
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… Ted Lemon
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… Russ Housley
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Stephen Farrell
- Re: ISOC money, was Proposal to revise ISOC's mis… S Moonesamy
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… Richard Shockey
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Richard Shockey
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: ISOC money, was Proposal to revise ISOC's mis… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: ISOC money, was Proposal to revise ISOC's mis… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: ISOC money, was Proposal to revise ISOC's mis… S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement james woodyatt
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Richard Shockey
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement james woodyatt
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement henry
- Re: ISOC money, was Proposal to revise ISOC's mis… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: conformance testing [wasRe: Proposal to revis… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Lee Howard
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Lee Howard
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement henry
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Lee Howard
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement james woodyatt
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Lee Howard
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Christian Huitema
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement james woodyatt
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Lee Howard
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Lee Howard
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Randy Bush
- detecting exfiltration Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement S Moonesamy
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement John R. Levine
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Ole Jacobsen
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Ole Jacobsen
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Randy Bush
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Miles Fidelman
- ISOC chapter and board compositon (was: Re: Propo… John C Klensin
- Re: ISOC chapter and board compositon (was: Re: P… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Proposal to revise ISOC's mission statement Dmitry Burkov
- Re: ISOC chapter and board compositon Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: ISOC chapter and board compositon Miles Fidelman
- Re: ISOC chapter and board compositon Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: ISOC chapter and board compositon Brian E Carpenter
- Re: ISOC chapter and board compositon Miles Fidelman
- The IETF on ISOC's web page Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: The IETF on ISOC's web page Scott Bradner
- Re: The IETF on ISOC's web page Dan York
- Re: The IETF on ISOC's web page Scott O. Bradner