Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Sun, 01 December 2019 03:59 UTC
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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 22:59:20 -0500
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Subject: Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting
To: Joel Halpern Direct <jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com>
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On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:12 PM Joel Halpern Direct < jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com> wrote: > That (the suggestions that RFC-interest is the wrong place to judge such > things) may be, which is why I listed alternatives. But just saying > that two people liked the idea, and no one screamed, in one day, is > clearly NOT enough to change the default. Quite. The botched pagination of the old plaintext format was one of the main reasons I hated it. The parochial US-centric design ensures that it only works reliably on US paper which is only used in North America. So for years, I would have to make multiple attempts at tweaking page lengths on printers to get RFCs to print out right. And after a while, I gave up, and wrote myself a PERL script to convert them to HTML and those are the docs I worked from all the time I was at the Web consortium and then at VRSN until xml2rfc appeared with a HTML output. I have never used the plaintext format. I have always regarded it as garbage. This is a technology business. If we are going to get nostalgic about stuff, perhaps we should start with all the newspaper people, shopworkers, etc. etc. we put out of work. It seems rather incongruous and not a little self-indulgent to find the vanguard of the digerati waxing nostalgic over emulating 1960s line printer formats while they are merrily shredding the fabric of the old economic order for everyone else. What does concern me with the current state of affairs is that we have HTML output of RFCs but not yet of IDs it would seem.
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- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Carsten Bormann
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John Levine
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Claudio Allocchio
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Paul Hoffman
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Julian Reschke
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Jeffrey Yasskin
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Paul Hoffman
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John C Klensin
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Julian Reschke
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Keith Moore
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John C Klensin
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Keith Moore
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Bob Hinden
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Julian Reschke
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Carsten Bormann
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Keith Moore
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Julian Reschke
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John C Klensin
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Carsten Bormann
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John Levine
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Julian Reschke
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Julian Reschke
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Carsten Bormann
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Keith Moore
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Keith Moore
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Keith Moore
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John C Klensin
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Nick Hilliard
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Keith Moore
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- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Paul Hoffman
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Keith Moore
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John Levine
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John C Klensin
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Julian Reschke
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Brian Carpenter
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- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting John C Klensin
- Re: [art] New RFCs text formatting Carsten Bormann
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