Re: [TLS] Re: Form of Appeals (Re: Complaint to IAB regarding non-transparency)
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 14 October 2025 20:44 UTC
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2025 13:44:22 -0700
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Re: Form of Appeals (Re: Complaint to IAB regarding non-transparency)
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 1:30 PM Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote: > I should add that if the necessary codepoint registrations are > Specification Required (as they are here), Indeed the code points have already been assigned for MLKEM. > then a policy of non- > publication of PQ-only suites would have no real effect unless the > registration policy is changed to be IESG Protocol Action. > This change seems like it would be very unlikely, given that we changed to the current policy precisely to address this this kind of debate (which has obviously not succeeded completely). -Ekr > Therefore to some degree this is much ado about not much. > > Nico > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org >
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