[EAI] draft-faltstrom-unicode11, i18n "directorate", and related issues
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Tue, 04 December 2018 20:19 UTC
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Subject: [EAI] draft-faltstrom-unicode11, i18n "directorate", and related issues
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Hi. Just a heads-up to lower the odds of anyone's being surprised or unintentionally left out of the conversation. Please do not start a discussion of it on any of the mailing lists copied. An IETF Last Call was initiated yesterday on draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05, whose main intention was to follow the model of RFC 6452 and bring the IANA registry of IDNA code points into line with Unicode 11.0. In addition to a few comments on the IETF list, a discussion started on the I18Nrp list, the list set up for the BOF held during IETF 102 in Montreal to try to figure out how to progress the several i18n documents that have been stalled for some time. Because that draft is very much specific to IDNA2008, I would have expected the discussion to be on the idna-update@ietf.org list, but I suppose we should all be grateful that we don't have either parallel discussions on multiple lists or extensive cross-posting. (Patrik, it would probably be wise for -06 to explicitly identify the mailing list on which discussion would be helpful). Those who attended or watched the IETF 102 BOF in July will probably recall that it concluded that a group should be formed to provide a focus and expert advice on I18n issues to the community. It was described as a "directorate" because that term and organizational arrangement is familiar in the IETF, but it was quite clear (at least to many of us) that its mission was to advise, inform, and perhaps even educate the community on i18n issues, rather than merely advising the ART ADs and/or designating people to perform reviews late in the Last Call cycle. Alexey (as the ART AD who is apparently taking lead responsibility for this work) has indicated that the "directorate" should be organized and announced very soon now. Because (if nothing else) the document follows up on RFC 6452, which was Standards Track, and because the directorate should have a chance to come together and review this document and its relationship to other pending work, the Last Call has now been cancelled (or, I hope more accurately, deferred). However, people should be aware of that document, that there has been a discussion on the I18Nrp list that is certainly relevant to the IDNA list and effort, that includes details not covered by the summary above, and may be relevant to the other lists copied; that the directorate is expected to be announced soon; and that draft-faltstrom-unicode11 and other relevant I-Ds, including some expired ones, may soon [re-]appear and require review and evaluation. At least until Patrik or the ADs suggest otherwise, the discussion of draft-faltstrom-unicode11 is on I18Nrp (subscription and archive information at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i18nrp ) Happy reading and reviewing. And apologies for not getting this note out when the discussion first started up. john (no particular hats other than interested party although my hats as ex-EAI Co-Chair and author or contributor to a number of relevant RFCs and pending documents are around here somewhere)
- [EAI] draft-faltstrom-unicode11, i18n "directorat… John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] [I18n-discuss] draft-faltstrom-unicode1… Ted Hardie
- Re: [EAI] [precis] [I18n-discuss] draft-faltstrom… Ben Campbell
- Re: [EAI] [precis] [I18n-discuss] draft-faltstrom… Ted Hardie
- Re: [EAI] [Idna-update] [precis] [I18n-discuss] d… Pete Resnick
- Re: [EAI] [Idna-update] [precis] [I18n-discuss] d… Ted Hardie
- Re: [EAI] [Idna-update] [precis] [I18n-discuss] d… Pete Resnick
- Re: [EAI] [Idna-update] [precis] [I18n-discuss] d… Ben Campbell
- Re: [EAI] [Idna-update] [precis] [I18n-discuss] d… Vint Cerf
- Re: [EAI] [Idna-update] [precis] [I18n-discuss] d… Ajay Data
- Re: [EAI] [precis] [I18n-discuss] draft-faltstrom… John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] [Idna-update] [precis] [I18n-discuss] d… John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] [Idna-update] [precis] [I18n-discuss] d… Marc Blanchet