Re: [Int-area] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-mtu-04: (with DISCUSS)

"Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Wed, 20 May 2015 15:13 UTC

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From: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>, Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>, Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>, "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-mtu-04: (with DISCUSS)
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Hi,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Haberman [mailto:brian@innovationslab.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:58 AM
> To: Ronald Bonica; Templin, Fred L; Suresh Krishnan; Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
> Cc: Kathleen Moriarty; draft-ietf-intarea-gre-mtu@ietf.org; int-area@ietf.org; draft-ietf-intarea-gre-mtu.ad@ietf.org; draft-ietf-
> intarea-gre-mtu.shepherd@ietf.org; The IESG; intarea-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-mtu-04: (with DISCUSS)
> 
> Hi Ron,
> 
> On 5/20/15 10:52 AM, Ronald Bonica wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > Are we all talking about the same draft? The paragraph that you quote
> > is not in Section 3.2 of  draft-ietf-intarea-gre-mtu-04.
> 
> No, he is referencing a completely different draft...
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6-07#section-3.2

Yes, the comments on MTU probing were intended for the GRE IPv6 draft; was
out of the office for several days and away from email, so lost context and got
off track. Sorry.

However, in *this* draft I suggest adding the following trailing sentence to the
final paragraph of the Security Considerations section:

   "These attacks can be mitigated when the ingress and egress are within the
   same well-managed administrative domain, where ingress filtering is employed
   to prevent source address spoofing."

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> Regards,
> Brian
> 
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >>
> >> That would be an informational; this document is being offered as
> >> standards- track. In Section 3.2, it says:
> >>
> >> "Before activating a GRE tunnel and periodically thereafter, the
> >> GRE ingress node MUST execute procedures that verify the tunnel's
> >> ability to carry a 1280-byte IPv6 payload packet from ingress to
> >> egress, without fragmenting the payload.  Having executed those
> >> procedures, the GRE ingress node MUST activate or deactivate the
> >> tunnel accordingly."
> >>