Re: [Iot-onboarding] [Mud] Side meeting at the IETF Montreal - call for agenda items
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 09 July 2019 21:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Iot-onboarding] [Mud] Side meeting at the IETF Montreal - call for agenda items
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Good conversation to have in Montreal. > On 30 Jun 2019, at 18:49, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote: >> A number of people have contacted me about meeting in Montreal, and >> that they wouldn’t be available after Tuesday. Conveniently, Monday >> morning is reserved for side meetings. I propose we take advantage of >> this from 9:00 - 10:30 (yes, this bleeds into the 1st session). > > It bleeds into teep, and I'm curious about the loops BOF, so I probably take > off at the appointed time. > >> I’ve combined MUD and IoT Onboarding, just to save time, as there is >> substantial community overlap. That’s because the spaces are clearly >> related, one being authentication of the device the other being network >> authorization. > > Agreed. > >> This, then, is a call for agenda items. I have a few of my own, but >> would prefer to hear from others first. Also, are you ok with the >> Monday morning time slot and keeping these activities together? > >> Ps: reminder: side meetings are not “official” anything. Just a >> gathering of people with a common interest. However, the meeting will >> run under the IPR rules of the IETF, regardless. All are invited. > > So, I'm not sure if you are asking for BRSKI items, or IoT onboarding items in general. > > 1) Under BRSKI for non-ANIMA ACP uses, there is the question about open/closed > registrars, and operational considerations of total sales channel integration > (MASA knows the customers), vs retail integration (no knowledge of > customers). There are probably areas of grey in between that might be > worth enumerating. > > 2) There is a similar question for MUD, which is how does the MUD controller > arrive at trust criteria for the signatures. This is the > enterprise/customer side of the above story: do you know who you are > buying from? > This relates to the discussion we have had about controllers: I think if > we could pin down the quality of the signatures, we could say more. > > 3) MUD Operational considerations for devices that can grow "skills" > > Not really a topic exactly: but how do we get towards the point where we can test > MUD/BRSKI integration. > > -- > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > >
- [Iot-onboarding] Side meeting at the IETF Montrea… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Iot-onboarding] Side meeting at the IETF Mon… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Iot-onboarding] [Mud] Side meeting at the IE… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Iot-onboarding] [Mud] Side meeting at the IE… M. Ranganathan
- Re: [Iot-onboarding] [Mud] Side meeting at the IE… Eliot Lear