RE: FIPS 186 and X9.42: One of these things is not like the other
Russ Housley <housley@spyrus.com> Tue, 23 November 1999 17:34 UTC
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:18:21 -0500
To: "John C. Kennedy" <jkennedy@trustpoint.com>
From: Russ Housley <housley@spyrus.com>
Subject: RE: FIPS 186 and X9.42: One of these things is not like the other
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John: At 12:57 PM 11/22/99 -0800, John C. Kennedy wrote: >1. With all due respect, saying that I have been "out of the loop" is not >quite correct. I have continued to track the output of both X9F1 and IETF >with regards to X9.42 and DH for the last couple of years. I have copies >of X9.42 drafts up through February 1999. One does not have to be "in the >loop" to see the inconsistencies I have pointed out. > >2. The PKIX "son-of-2459" work, of which mostly only the ASN.1 portion of >X9.42 is relevant, is probably correct. What is a bigger problem is that >RFC 2631 (Diffie-Hellman Key Agreement Method) by Eric Rescorla references >a 1998 draft. The related drafts, <draft-ietf-smime-small-subgroup-02.txt> >and <draft-ietf-pkix-dhpop-02.txt>, reference RFC 2631. Is there proper >alignment in these works with the current state of X9.42? I don't think >so. How would the larger IETF community know if they were? Is ANSI >keeping all these authors "in the loop"? > >3. FIPS 186-1 on DSA and rDSA is a good example. If the X9.42 >specification had been kept as simple as FIPS 186 we wouldn't be where we >are now. It is unfortunate that crypto-politics and other machinations >did not allow NIST to handle this work independent of ANSI from the >beginning. 1. I apologize. You certainly have not taken an active role in the IETF or X9F1 for the last few years. I am glad to hear that you have kept current. I would encourage you to become actively involved again. 2. Once the IETF adopted X9.42, I worked diligently with X9F1 to ensure that none of the aspects of X9.42 that were adopted by the IETF were changed. We made a final comparison of the X9.42 draft and RFC 2631 just prior to publication of the RFC. I have commitment that the parts of X9.42 that are included in RFC 2631 will not be changed unless a security problem is discovered. If a security problem is discovered, then the IETF will want to update RFC 2631 anyway, so this is not a concern. 3. Agree. Russ
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