Re: Pseudorandom Flow Labels

John Leslie <john@jlc.net> Thu, 07 April 2011 12:08 UTC

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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:10:25 -0400
From: John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>
Subject: Re: Pseudorandom Flow Labels
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Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>; wrote:
> On 06/04/2011 05:44 p.m., John Leslie wrote:
>> Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>; wrote:
>>> * We want Flow Labels that unpredictable by off-path attackers (history
>>>   has taught us that this is a good proactive measure)
>> 
>> I'm afraid I don't follow: what sort of attack could an off-path
>> attacker mount by correctly guessing the Flow Label?
> 
> Play with ECMP/LAG.

   I'm afraid you'll need to be more specific: I still don't see an
attack against the sender here.

> And, it's clear you could never implement something like
> draft-blake-ipv6-flow-label-nonce-02 if FLs are predictable.

   I did think of that, but decided I'd never want to use such a thing.
There are quite a few better ways to accomplish the goal, and far too
many opportunities for middleboxes to screw it up.

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John Leslie <john@jlc.net>;