Re: Loopback interface terminology issue
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Wed, 18 October 2017 16:52 UTC
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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
brian> Well yes; indeed this topic is touched on in many RFCs but nowhere is
brian> it defined as part of the basic architecture, which is my main
brian> point. Using a concept that has no principal definition is generally
brian> a source of confusion.
joel> We tended not to define software interfaces for things which are not
joel> required for interoperability. How you describe an address which is
joel> not bound to a physical interface is entirely irrelevant outside the
joel> scope of your own operating system.
brian> That's not our experience in trying to be precise in saying what we
brian> mean in draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane.
to restate Brian's point slightly differently:
The issue is not to tell people how to implement things in their software,
but rather to make it clear that we need a standard hook on which to hang our
addresses.
We'd rather not use the term "loopback interface" at all here if we had
another name defined in an RFC somewhere.
I think that there is some significant text that might need to be written
when defining this hook when in a strong-host model.
But, let me also ask a different question: are there router operating systems
where there is a way to hang an address on something which is not a
virtual/loopback interface? If so, what do they call it?
If there are differences in software interfaces in some place that we would
be respecting by abstracting this requirement?
After 35+ years of router operating systems, has anyone actually innovated in this way?
--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Mark Andrews
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- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Mark Smith
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Ole Troan
- RE: Loopback interface terminology issue Templin, Fred L
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue 神明達哉
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Toerless Eckert
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue 神明達哉
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Toerless Eckert
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Loopback interface terminology issue Templin, Fred L
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Toerless Eckert
- Re: Loopback interface terminology issue Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Loopback interface terminology issue Templin, Fred L
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