Re: [media-types] Update of MIME media type application/pkcs7-mime Registration

Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com> Fri, 14 June 2013 22:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [media-types] Update of MIME media type application/pkcs7-mime Registration
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On 6/14/13 6:05 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> On 13 Jun 2013, at 15:46, Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/13/13 10:25 AM, Sean Turner wrote:
>>> On 6/13/13 10:18 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>>> On 13/06/2013 13:51, Sean Turner wrote:
>>>>> On 6/13/13 6:47 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
>>>>>> * Sean Turner wrote:
>>>>>>> The application/pkcs7-mime content type defines the optional "smime-
>>>>>>> type" parameter [RFC5751].  The smime-type parameter for Server-side
>>>>>>> Key Generation Response is server-generated-key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> smime-type name: server-generated-key
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Required parameters: None
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This should be preceded by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Type name: application
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Subtype name: pkcs7-mime
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this is supposed to register the application/pkcs7-mime type. But it
>>>>>> seems to me that using the media type registration template here is not
>>>>>> correct, I would rather expect "Updates: 5751" and then simply defining
>>>>>> the additional smime-type parameter, no need for the template.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not registering application/pkcs7-mime is adding a parameter. If
>>>>> I understand correctly, if we added "Updates: 5751 (once approved)" to
>>>>> the header we could just omit the template completely?  I'd argue that
>>>>> if we don't need the template that's great, but what's more important
>>>>> is that people be able to find these subtypes and the way to do that
>>>>> is to have them pointed to by the registry not the original document.
>>>>> How about if we just omit the template and ask IANA to *also* point to
>>>>> this document from the application/pkcs7-mime registry?
>>>> Sounds sensible to me. (But also see my other email).
>>>
>>> Other email is about using +der and adding some generic considerations
>>> about parsers.  I'll have to go check on the +der bit with some folks
>>> but the other suggestion seems very reasonable.
>>
>> I don't think we can put +der at the end of this because the others don't include it.
>
> There is no backward compatibility issue here, so I don't understand your argument.
> The +suffix convention is a relatively new, but I think it should e used for all new registrations that match existing suffixes.

So it'd look like this:

Content-Type: application/pkcs7-mime+der; 
smime-type=server-generated-key; name=smime.p7m

I'm not sure this will work though.  The certs are definitly use DER and 
so would any signed attributes but the rest of need not be.

spt