Re: [media-types] Update of MIME media type application/pkcs7-mime Registration

Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com> Thu, 13 June 2013 14:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [media-types] Update of MIME media type application/pkcs7-mime Registration
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On 6/13/13 10:18 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> On 13/06/2013 13:51, Sean Turner wrote:
>> On 6/13/13 6:47 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
>>> * Sean Turner wrote:
>>>> The application/pkcs7-mime content type defines the optional "smime-
>>>> type" parameter [RFC5751].  The smime-type parameter for Server-side
>>>> Key Generation Response is server-generated-key.
>>>>
>>>> smime-type name: server-generated-key
>>>>
>>>> Required parameters: None
>>>
>>> This should be preceded by
>>>
>>>    Type name: application
>>>
>>>    Subtype name: pkcs7-mime
>>>
>>> If this is supposed to register the application/pkcs7-mime type. But it
>>> seems to me that using the media type registration template here is not
>>> correct, I would rather expect "Updates: 5751" and then simply defining
>>> the additional smime-type parameter, no need for the template.
>>
>> It's not registering application/pkcs7-mime is adding a parameter. If
>> I understand correctly, if we added "Updates: 5751 (once approved)" to
>> the header we could just omit the template completely?  I'd argue that
>> if we don't need the template that's great, but what's more important
>> is that people be able to find these subtypes and the way to do that
>> is to have them pointed to by the registry not the original document.
>> How about if we just omit the template and ask IANA to *also* point to
>> this document from the application/pkcs7-mime registry?
> Sounds sensible to me. (But also see my other email).

Other email is about using +der and adding some generic considerations 
about parsers.  I'll have to go check on the +der bit with some folks 
but the other suggestion seems very reasonable.

spt