Re: [Pidloc] Encoding Routing in FAST
Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net> Mon, 15 October 2018 15:14 UTC
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From: Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:14:07 -0700
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To: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: [Pidloc] Encoding Routing in FAST
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On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 7:30 AM Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:20 PM Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018, 7:56 AM Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Tom Herbert published a draft >>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-herbert-route-fast-00 >>> >>> which describes a solution by which the client (mobile node) can send >>> its locator to the sender. >>> >>> Tom defined the locator encoding for ILA and the network seems to be >>> specific to ILA. >>> However I believe this design can be generalized to other IdLoc >>> protocols or at least the locator encoding could be reused.. >>> >> >> Hi Behcet, >> >> Thanks for posting and making connection. >> >> Yes, ILA is an example. Tickets can contain other types of locators or >> information. >> >>> >>> Basically this draft represents a solution (ILA based) for the locator >>> sharing cases mentioned in Erik's draft. >>> >> >> It might be a little different in that regard. FAST could encode locator >> for return path in a ticket. Peer just reflects ticket and doesn't know >> about locator, it's used to route packets in destination provider network. >> > > You mean source routing? > It can be used as type of source routing, but it's more generic. The ability to specify routing and services in return path is critical. > Is this somehow related to SRv6? > Not really. SRv6 SIDs could be encoded in a ticket in a compressed form is possible. > > > >> So locators aren't actually being shared, they're transparently carried >> by third parties. >> >> Actual sharing could be done, for instance a locator as the ingress point >> in a network might ambiguous enough to avoid privacy concerns. A ticket >> might just contain locator (and network overlay method). In this case peers >> would need to parse tickets, so the might go down path of a standardized >> ticket format. >> >> > I don't quite understand these things well, I need to dig more into it. > What I understood from you draft is that it is a UDP application, i.e. it > is application layer solution, is this correct? > No, it uses IPv6 Hop-by-Hop options. No encapsulation required. Tom > Behcet > >> Tom >> >> >> >> >>> Any comments? >>> >>> Behcet >>> -- >>> Pidloc mailing list >>> Pidloc@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pidloc >>> >>
- [Pidloc] Encoding Routing in FAST Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Pidloc] Encoding Routing in FAST Tom Herbert
- Re: [Pidloc] Encoding Routing in FAST Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Pidloc] Encoding Routing in FAST Tom Herbert