[Plants] Re: Scope and charter

Wendy Brown - QT3LB-C <wendy.brown@gsa.gov> Thu, 21 August 2025 11:21 UTC

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From: Wendy Brown - QT3LB-C <wendy.brown@gsa.gov>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 07:20:37 -0400
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I am just an observer on this list but I would request a slight change to
Stephen's suggestion of adding a sentence to generalize email to other

 "PKIs are also used for other services
and while those are not the main focus of PLANTS, the WG will
consider how changes might affect such deployments."


thanks,

Wendy



On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 7:07 AM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
> Hiya,
>
> On 21/08/2025 08:35, Thom Wiggers wrote:
> > Otherwise, I’m not sure how many people are subscribed to this list,
> > but it’d be good if there’s people who didn’t comment so far
> > respond, even just to comment that they like things.
>
> I'm fine with the WebPKI/TLS being the main focus.
>
> I would like that we at least consider how what we're doing
> would work-for/break the use of TLS in email protocols.
>
> While the set of WebPKI CAs may be unhappy that people want
> to use certs they issue for email servers too, I don't think
> that's something we ought break accidentally.
>
> Not sure if that warrants a charter sentence, if it did then
> maybe something like: "PKIs are also used for email services
> and while those are not the main focus of PLANTS, the WG will
> consider how changes might affect such deployments."
>
> Cheers,
> S.
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