Re: [RAM] LISP and the Global Internet Architecture
Roger Jorgensen <rogerj@jorgensen.no> Mon, 02 April 2007 20:15 UTC
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, David Conrad wrote: <snip> > To clarify, I'd argue that the vast majority of end users couldn't care less > whether they had IPv4, IPv6, NSAPs, or lima beans for addresses. What end > users care about is continued accessibility to network services of various > flavors and kinds. Until this can be provided over IPv6, with no need for > any significant end user (or end user supporting organization) configuration > changes, IPv6 will remain dead in the water. That´s all so true. I work for an organization/company owned indirect by the state and our only goal is to provide electronic infrastructure so there can be widespread use of what the world know as Telemedicine. We have so much trouble with IPv4 due to every possible reason and how they would react to IPv6...no idea. Bottom line, our end-users, doctors working with patients everyday only care about one singel thing, to be able to communicate with the hospitals and other they need in their daily work. IPv6 are faaaar from ready for those users even tho most of our problems with be solved with IPv6. Problems like NAT, double NAT and tripple NAT, conflicting IP addresses due to every hospital/county have their own network using RFC1918 addresses... -- ------------------------------ Roger Jorgensen | - ROJO9-RIPE - RJ85P-NORID roger@jorgensen.no | - IPv6 is The Key! -------------------------------------------------------
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- Re: DNS ALG (was Re: [RAM] Incremental Deployment… marcelo bagnulo braun
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