Re: [Roll] multicast in unaware-leaves

"Li Zhao (liz3)" <liz3@cisco.com> Wed, 10 July 2019 01:48 UTC

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From: "Li Zhao (liz3)" <liz3@cisco.com>
To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>, "draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves@ietf.org>
CC: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Roll] multicast in unaware-leaves
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Thanks Pascal. Please find my comment inline.


Ø  RUL should not be a MPL forwarder
Though it has dependencies on them, this spec does not mandate anything on RULs, it is only on routers.  So we could say that the spec does not expect the RUL to understand MPL and to forward it. Now if it does, it does not hurt does it?
[Li]: Agree with you. The spec does not mandate anything. It only need to cover MPL cases.


Ø  MPL Hop-by-Hop Header can be ignored when not understood

MPL option type cannot be ignored. It is 6D and the first two bits indicate that the IPv6 node must discard the packet if it doesn't recognize the option type. This is why https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo changes the RPL option from x63 to x23. So the HbH must be encapsulated and removed.



Ø  6LR might decapsulate MPL’s IP-in-IP packet and forward to RUL

Yes, no choice there I guess.
[Li]: Does 6LR need to know 6LN’s capability of MPL? If not, it doesn’t know whether to decapsulate HbH.
        Consider one case that 6LN supports MPL but 6LR decapsulates HbH. 6LN will lost all capability of MPL, for example, data retransmit.


Best regards,
Li