[SAFE] keepalive battery consumption
"Dan Wing" <dwing@cisco.com> Tue, 04 December 2007 18:19 UTC
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From: Dan Wing <dwing@cisco.com>
To: 'Bryan Ford' <baford@MIT.EDU>, behave@ietf.org
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Cc: safe@ietf.org, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, "'Frank W. Miller'" <fwmiller@cornfed.com>
Subject: [SAFE] keepalive battery consumption
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(I am CC'ing the SAFE mailing list, as the motivation for reducing keepalives came up during SAFE.) Citation: http://tinyurl.com/3c63ef [IEEE] "Energy Consumption of Always-On Applications in WCDMA Networks" Haverinen, H.; Siren, J.; Eronen, P. Vehicular Technology Conference, 2007. VTC2007-Spring. IEEE 65th Volume , Issue , 22-25 April 2007 Page(s):964 - 968 Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/VETECS.2007.207 Summary: Always-on applications, such as push email and voice-over-IP, are characterized by the need to be constantly reachable for incoming communications. In the presence of stateful firewalls or NATs, such applications require "keep-alive" messages to maintain up-to-date connection state in the firewall or NAT, and thus preserve reachability. In this paper, we analyze how these keep-alive messages influence battery lifetime in WCDMA networks. Using measurements in a 3G network, we show that the energy consumption is significantly influenced by the radio resource control (RRC) parameters and the frequency of keep-alive messages. The results suggest that especially UDP-based protocols, such as mobile IPv4 and IPsec NAT traversal mechanisms, require very frequent keep-alives that can lead to unacceptably short battery lifetimes." I expect we can find a way for the paper to be made available to non-IEEE members. Pasi? -d > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Ford [mailto:baford@MIT.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:03 AM > To: behave@ietf.org > Subject: [BEHAVE] RE: A simpler way to reduce keepalive > traffic (Frank W.Miller) > > Frank W. Miller wrote: > > Since I was not able to attend the BoF, could you provide a > synopsis > > of why > > this consensus was arrived at? Specifically, can you describe any > > deployment scenarios that were quantitatively presented that have > > difficulty > > with the "chattiness" you are referring to? I will assume that the > > chattiness is primarily a problem for the STUN servers that are > > servicing > > the keepalives. What kind of data was presented to support this > > problem? > > The minutes don't appear to be on-line yet, but they should be soon, > and the presentation slides (at least the version before the > presentation - some modifications were made during it) are available > on the "meeting materials" page at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/70/materials.html > > The biggest motivation seemed to be the drain on the battery > power of > wireless devices: someone offered the anecdote that he'd > observed 50% > of the power of some devices go to keepalive transmissions, > although I > don't remember any "hard" data presented to back this up. Maybe > someone else on the list can point to some? > > Cheers, > Bryan > > > _______________________________________________ > Behave mailing list > Behave@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/behave _______________________________________________ SAFE mailing list SAFE@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/safe
- [SAFE] keepalive battery consumption Dan Wing
- [SAFE] RE: keepalive battery consumption Pasi.Eronen