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Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov> Thu, 20 July 2017 19:21 UTC

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From: Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov>
To: "Asveren, Tolga" <tasveren@sonusnet.com>, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>, "sipcore@ietf.org" <sipcore@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [sipcore] draft-ietf-sipcore-callinfo-spam-01 - SIP entities
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It does say explicitly that all parameters are optional, but I will add text about what the absence means ("good enough", basically, since no indicator is 100% correct).

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From: Asveren, Tolga [mailto:tasveren@sonusnet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:41 PM
To: Henning Schulzrinne <Henning.Schulzrinne@fcc.gov>; Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>; sipcore@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [sipcore] draft-ietf-sipcore-callinfo-spam-01 - SIP entities

O.K., this sounds good. It really could be good to add a sentence or two about this issue -even if the syntax already defines "spam" as optional"- though.
"Use of spam parameter requires a fine granularity decision about the nature of the call. It may not be possible to easily predict or use in an efficient way for certain networks, call flows, end-points."

Thanks,
Tolga

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