Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on RFC 7208
"Frank Bulk" <frnkblk@iname.com> Thu, 23 June 2016 17:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on RFC 7208
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I'm looping back into the conversation again because we've had two different ag-business customers get bitten by this in the last two days, trying to send emails (via IPv6) to the USDA who apparently uses an SPF implementation that checks for the MX record's AAAAs and fails on too many void lookups. The workaround, in both cases, has been for us to move 'mx' to end of the ag-business' SPF record. Scott's suggestion that the RFC clarify that that an mx mechanism is only void if neither A nor AAAA exist is a good one -- would we also need to state that those void lookups don't count against the maximum of 10 DNS lookups? I'm not an RFC writer, but I'd be happy to review any new one or erratum. Kind regards, Frank -----Original Message----- From: S Moonesamy [mailto:sm+ietf@elandsys.com] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:59 AM To: Frank Bulk <frnkblk@iname.com>; spfbis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on RFC 7208 Hi Frank, At 17:45 30-04-2016, Frank Bulk wrote: >While working through a SPF failure for a message sent from our IPv6-capable >email server (for premieronline.net), I ran an across an SPF checker >(http://vamsoft.com/support/tools/spf-policy-tester) that had a hard fail >when these values were entered: > 2607:fe28:0:4000::20 > fbulk@premieronline.net > >premieronline.net's record is as follow: > v=spf1 mx ip4:96.31.0.0/24 ip6:2607:fe28:0:1000::/64 >ip6:2607:fe28:0:4000::/64 ~all > >The tool tries to work through the MX records of premieronline.net, but for >some reason it specifically queries for an AAAA for each MX record, of which >we don't have one (because our inbound email gateway does not yet support >IPv6). Since we have four MX records, it work through two of them (which >both fail) and then the tool hard fails saying that, > "The maximum void DNS lookup limit of 2 has been exceeded during the >evaluation (see RFC7208 Section 4.6.4.)." There is the following in Section 5 of RFC 7208: 'When any mechanism fetches host addresses to compare with <ip>, when <ip> is an IPv4, "A" records are fetched; when <ip> is an IPv6 address, "AAAA" records are fetched. SPF implementations on IPv6 servers need to handle both "AAAA" and "A" records, for clients on IPv4-mapped IPv6 addresses [RFC4291]. IPv4 <ip> addresses are only listed in an SPF record using the "ip4" mechanism.' It does not make sense to query for an "A" record when the client address is an IPv6 address. The issue in your case is that your outbound is over IPv6 while you do not have inbound IPv6. I took a quick look and I did not find a discussion about that in relation to the void DNS lookup limit in the mailing list archive. >This is the only SPF tool to fail in this way, which makes we wonder if it's >the site's SPF checking methodology for RFC 7208 section 5.4 is correct. If >so, and other email gateways have implemented their SPF checking in the same >way, there could be more incorrect SPF evaluation checks out there. If the >site's SPF checking methodology is incorrect, can you point me to a section >in any RFC that would suggest a better/proper approach? I didn't find any text in the RFC about a better or proper approach. >Either way, does RFC 7208 need some clarification on this matter? My guess >is that "it performs an address lookup on each MX name" is not equivalent to >"check for an AAAA on each MX name and check for an A on each MX name", but >I'm not sure. Your question is about whether there is a "bug" in the technical specification. The second sentence is about how to get around a "void DNS lookup". At the moment I am not sure about what would be the appropriate answer. Regards, S. Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Frank Bulk
- [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on RFC 7… Frank Bulk
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Kurt Andersen
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Stuart Gathman
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Stuart D. Gathman
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… frnkblk
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Kurt Andersen
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Kurt Andersen
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Stuart Gathman
- Re: [spfbis] Question about SPF checks based on R… Scott Kitterman