Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt
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From: tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>
To: Young Lee <younglee.tx@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Young Lee" <younglee.tx@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2019 11:28 AM Hi Tom, The compatibility of the two methods is discussed in section 3 of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificati ons-22> ns-22 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificati ons-22> . There is a way to avoid the method of RFC5277 by using the method of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificati ons-22> ns-22 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificati ons-22>; however, referencing RFC 5277 into the draft would not necessarily be a big issue. What do you think? <tp> I think that RFC5277 is on its way out and so would avoid referencing it if you can. On the other hand, netconf-event-notifications is only part of the replacement picture and I am unclear which part you need want to reference; there is a growing number of I-D without, for me, an obvious starting point - YMMV. Tom Petch Thanks. Young On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 4:57 PM tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Young Lee" <leeyoung@futurewei.com> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 2:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt > > > > Hi Dieter, > > > > I think we can add RFC 5277 as a reference. It seems that both RFC5277 > and > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio > ns-22 > <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificati ons-22> > are compatible to each other. > > > Not really; look at > draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-26 > s.1.4. RFC5277 has been superseded, but not obsoleted, by a whole raft > of I-D which provide a different way of doing things; an implementation > may do one, or the other, or both but compatible is not a word that I > would use. I think that the expectation is that the RFC5277 approach > will wither away with time. > > Tom Petch > > > > Thanks. > > Young > > > > > > From: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) > [mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com] > > Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 9:42 AM > > To: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com> > > Cc: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>; TEAS WG > <teas@ietf.org> > > Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt > > > > Hi Young, > > > > I noticed that draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt does > not reference > RFC5277<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F% > 2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Frfc5277%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futu > rewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5 > 591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574726151&sdata=KquCN81GrA8bFeadwrBnmeUOVJtnO > OnakUEUN8ED1b4%3D&reserved=0>: NETCONF Event Notifications > > > > It only references: > > > > · > draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netconf-yang-p > ush&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7 > 688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574726151&s > data=lEuKS%2FeENRoiEYEFLyXL3QSmSKhfPciyMeEfRVWTsdA%3D&reserved=0> > > > > · > draft-ietf-netconf-<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-n > otifications&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a145766 > 37008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63695083357 > 4736148&sdata=368%2BHwJQDJ1w9pZHYdoxF4GmR0DEdRpwjwbgA4I%2BgT4%3D&reserve > d=0>netconf-event-notifications<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlo > ok.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netconf-net > conf-event-notifications&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe47 > 5a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7 > C636950833574736148&sdata=368%2BHwJQDJ1w9pZHYdoxF4GmR0DEdRpwjwbgA4I%2BgT > 4%3D&reserved=0> > > > > Could you please explain why > RFC5277<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F% > 2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Frfc5277%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futu > rewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5 > 591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574736148&sdata=C%2BBbysR%2FzdK4FPmbgq8AFzlcB > HvM8F9tdrhz4uRetaY%3D&reserved=0> is not listed as normative reference > what I had expected? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dieter > > > > > > On 24.05.2019 19:00, Leeyoung wrote: > > Hi Pavan, > > > > Thanks for initiating this effort. > > > > Here’s how the revision incorporated Dieter’s comment. Please see > “YL>>” for each comment. > > > > Thanks. > > Young > > > > >> > snipped----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------- > > Hi Young, > > > > here are some more comments as promised: > > > > Other terms which are not defined are: > > · scaling intent (the description in section 4 is very poor and > does not describe what scaling intent is all about), > > · network autonomics > > YL>> In Section 1.1 we added the following terms: > > Key Performance Data: This refers to a set of data the customer is > > interested in monitoring for their instantiated VNs or TE-tunnels. > > Key performance data and key performance indicators are inter- > > exchangeable in this draft. > > > > Scaling: This refers to the network ability to re-shape its own > > resources. Scale out refers to improve network performance by > > increasing the allocated resources, while scale in refers to > > decrease the allocated resources, typically because the existing > > resources are unnecessary. > > > > Scaling Intent: To declare scaling conditions, scaling intent is > > used. Specifically, scaling intent refers to the intent expressed > by > > the client that allows the client to program/configure conditions > of > > their key performance data either for scaling out or scaling in. > > Various conditions can be set for scaling intent on either VN or > TE- > > tunnel level. > > > > Network Autonomics: This refers to the network automation > capability > > that allows client to initiate scaling intent mechanisms and > > provides the client with the status of the adjusted network > > resources based on the client's scaling intent in an automated > > fashion. > > > > The term performance monitoring (PM) is being used in transport > networks for many years and typically relates to 15min/24h PM counters > and PM history. > > Streaming telemetry data is rather new for transport network equipment > and care should be taken to distinguish streaming telemetry data from > classical PM data > > unless the classical PM counters are streamed, which is also an > option. > > > > > > YL>> In the Introduction section, we added the following paragraph to > explain how we used PM in this draft: > > The term performance monitoring being used in this document is > > different from the term that has been used in transport networks > for > > many years. Performance monitoring in this document refers to > > subscription and publication of streaming telemetry data. > > Subscription is initiated by the client (e.g., CNC) while > > publication is provided by the network (e.g., MDSC/PNC) based on > the > > client's subscription. As the scope of performance monitoring in > > this document is telemetry data on the level of client's VN or TE- > > tunnel, the entity interfacing the client (e.g., MDSC) has to > > provide VN or TE-tunnel level information. This would require > > controller capability to derive VN or TE-tunnel level performance > > data based on lower-level data collected via PM counters in the > > Network Elements (NE). How the controller entity derives such > > customized level data (i.e., VN or TE-tunnel level) is out of the > > scope of this document. > > > > Regarding the scaling intent: I was expecting to find a description of > "scaling intent" in order to understand what it means: > > > > Scaling intent configuration mechanism allows the client to > > > > configure automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms on both the > > > > TE-tunnel and the VN level. Various conditions can be set for auto- > > > > scaling based on the PM telemetry data. > > > > YL>> As added in Section 1.1, > > Scaling Intent: To declare scaling conditions, scaling intent is > > used. Specifically, scaling intent refers to the intent expressed > by > > the client that allows the client to program/configure conditions > of > > their key performance data either for scaling out or scaling in. > > Various conditions can be set for scaling intent on either VN or > TE- > > tunnel level. > > > > What are the "automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms"? What are > the configuration parameters of these mechanisms? This is totally > unclear to me: > > > > There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism: > > > > > > > > . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to scale-out or > > > > scale-in. > > > > YL>> At the end of Section 4, we have the following text: > > > > > > > > There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism: > > > > > > > > . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to scale-out or > > > > scale-in. > > > > . performance-type: performance metric type (e.g., one-way-delay, > > > > one-way-delay-min, one-way-delay-max, two-way-delay, two-way- > > > > delay-min, two-way-delay-max, utilized bandwidth, etc.) > > > > . threshold-value: the threshold value for a certain performance- > > > > type that triggers scale-in or scale-out. > > > > . scaling-operation-type: in case where scaling condition can be > > > > set with one or more performance types, then > scaling-operation- > > > > type (AND, OR, MIN, MAX, etc.) is applied to these selected > > > > performance types and its threshold values. > > > > . Threshold-time: the duration for which the criteria must hold > > > > true. > > > > . Cooldown-time: the duration after a scaling action has been > > > > triggered, for which there will be no further operation. > > > > > > The tree view in section 4 is not providing any clarity either: > > > > module: ietf-te-kpi-telemetry > > > > augment /te:te/te:tunnels/te:tunnel: > > > > +-rw te-scaling-intent > > > > | +-rw scale-in-intent > > > > | | +-rw threshold-time? uint32 > > > > | | +-rw cooldown-time? uint32 > > > > | | +-rw scale-in-operation-type? > scaling-criteria-operation > > > > | | +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type] > > > > | | +-rw performance-type identityref > > > > | | +-rw threshold-value? string > > > > | | +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref? > > > > -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name > > > > | +-rw scale-out-intent > > > > | +-rw threshold-time? uint32 > > > > | +-rw cooldown-time? uint32 > > > > | +-rw scale-out-operation-type? > scaling-criteria-operation > > > > | +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type] > > > > | +-rw performance-type identityref > > > > | +-rw threshold-value? string > > > > | +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref? > > > > -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name > > > > > > The meaning of the attributes (e.g. cooldown-time, > scale-in-operation-type) are not explained. > > > > YL>> Please see the previous comments. > > > > My conclusion: this document is not ready yet for WG adoption. The > concerns I raised at IETF104 wer not properly addressed. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dieter > > > > > > > > On 18.04.2019 20:58, Dieter Beller wrote: > > Hi Young, > > > > here is my very first comment: > > > > The abstract reads: > > > > Abstract > > > > > > > > This document provides YANG data models that describe performance > > > > monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels > and > > > > Virtual Networks (VN). > > > > > > > > The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to > > > > and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the > > > > level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with > the > > > > ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level > > > > of TE-tunnel as well as VN. > > When I tried to find the definition of the term "key performance data" > I failed. The terminology section reads: > > > 1.1<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fto > ols.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16%23s > ection-1.1&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637 > 008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C6369508335747 > 46138&sdata=w1QlGE9Jl8CaJ%2Feym22VsxRipsRFtFa%2FfUPGwA9Mo4M%3D&reserved= > 0>. Terminology > > > > Refer to > [RFC8453<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F > %2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Frfc8453&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.c > om%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc > %7C1%7C0%7C636950833574746138&sdata=UGswSJMJd1nsJA%2BjkfLO6vv5fJwmXlNT65 > nPoInCdaE%3D&reserved=0>], > [RFC7926<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F > %2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Frfc7926&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.c > om%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc > %7C1%7C0%7C636950833574756136&sdata=CvAGamqQUQHwX4b9hDHalnrLZLuqq2ud%2F6 > lMHhghyFM%3D&reserved=0>], and > [RFC8309<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F > %2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Frfc8309&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.c > om%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc > %7C1%7C0%7C636950833574756136&sdata=EhxXU2JhRo3zdwUFEUSV8H8c7H%2BC4K7zoc > J6uMTVAIw%3D&reserved=0>] for the key terms used > > > > in this document. > > > > The term "key performance data" is not defined in section 1.1 nor in > the referenced RFSs! > > Frankly speaking, I have no clue what "key performance data" is. > > > > This is what I was criticizing when you presented the draft in Prague. > > > > More comments will follow. > > > > YL>> Add this in Section 1.1: > > Key Performance Data: This refers to a set of data the customer is > > interested in monitoring for their instantiated VNs or TE-tunnels. > > Key performance data and key performance indicators are inter- > > exchangeable in this draft. > > > > > > From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 11:58 PM > > To: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com><mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>; > Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE) > <dieter.beller@nokia.com><mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com> > > Cc: TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org><mailto:teas@ietf.org> > > Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt > > > > Young, > > Thanks for bringing the offline discussion to the list. Please discuss > (on the list) how the changes in the latest revision address all of > Dieter's comments. > > > > Dieter, > > Please do confirm on the list if there are no further open issues to > discuss. > > > > Regards, > > -Pavan > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 11:50 AM Leeyoung > <leeyoung@huawei.com<mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This revision incorporated Dieter's comments (exchanged privately --- > see the attachment for this content of Dieter's comments). > > > > If there are still further comments before being ready for WG > adoption, we'd appreciate your providing comments in a timely manner. > > > > Thanks & Best regards, > > Young (on behalf of co-authors) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> > [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 11:43 AM > > To: Daniele Ceccarelli > <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com<mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> > >; Satish Karunanithi > <satish.karunanithi@gmail.com<mailto:satish.karunanithi@gmail.com>>; > Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com<mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>>; Dhruv Dhody > <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com<mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>>; Daniel King > <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk<mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>>; Ricard Vilata > <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es<mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>>; Ricard Vilalta > <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es<mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>> > > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt > > > > > > A new version of I-D, > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF > repository. > > > > Name: draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics > > Revision: 17 > > Title: YANG models for VN & TE Performance Monitoring > Telemetry and Scaling Intent Autonomics > > Document date: 2019-05-08 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 30 > > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-au > tonomics-17.txt > <https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-a utonomics-17.txt> > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http > s%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Finternet-drafts%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-teleme > try-autonomics-17.txt&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1 > a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63 > 6950833574756136&sdata=HM48AUuC6BvvUSUgAsfNAsGAcdzO52d326gJqqgQnNg%3D&re > served=0> > > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autono > mics/ > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auton omics/> > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F > datatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics > %2F&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7 > 688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574766127&s > data=7G9Ijjk5cuyVg3JSDO%2B7jQN50SRgCuKJuIRhfGOKyZY%3D&reserved=0> > > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics- > 17<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftoo > ls.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17&data > =02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7 > C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574766127&sdata=2Mc > nE2%2B7Zyl1J0LtTX10%2FBaBbka5RL1giUQZ72KPoMs%3D&reserved=0> > > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-a > utonomics<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2 > F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry > -autonomics&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576 63 > 7008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574 > 776124&sdata=IMIqf0g15xT%2FzD8pCpxL05IMzdqWqK6IhAW5YfKiGKE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auton > omics-17 > <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auto nomics-17> > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F > %2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfcdiff%3Furl2%3Ddraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auto > nomics-17&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a145766370 > 08d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63695083357477 > 6124&sdata=8YAuaMmlhMz13t%2BEKXc2p6yraPKSt6XumuDTn7PzS6c%3D&reserved=0> > > > > Abstract: > > This document provides YANG data models that describe performance > > monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels > and > > Virtual Networks (VN). > > > > The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to > > and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the > > level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with > the > > ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level > > of TE-tunnel as well as VN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http% > 3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a > 1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C6 > 36950833574786116&sdata=DbOF8DsF0czlrvFnG9vlI1tPGD7OMW62hcxy4PA8fBE%3D&r > eserved=0>. > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" > <dieter.beller@nokia.com<mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com>> > > To: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com<mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>> > > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs > <teas-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:teas-chairs@ietf.org>>, "King, Daniel" > <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk<mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>>, Daniele > Ceccarelli > <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com<mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> > > > > Bcc: > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:06:20 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt > > Hi Young, > > > > here are some more comments as promised: > > > > Other terms which are not defined are: > > · scaling intent (the description in section 4 is very poor and > does not describe what scaling intent is all about), > > · network autonomics > > > > The term performance monitoring (PM) is being used in transport > networks for many years and typically relates to 15min/24h PM counters > and PM history. > > Streaming telemetry data is rather new for transport network equipment > and care should be taken to distinguish streaming telemetry data from > classical PM data > > unless the classical PM counters are streamed, which is also an > option. > > > > Regarding the scaling intent: I was expecting to find a description of > "scaling intent" in order to understand what it means: > > > > Scaling intent configuration mechanism allows the client to > > > > configure automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms on both the > > > > TE-tunnel and the VN level. Various conditions can be set for auto- > > > > scaling based on the PM telemetry data. > > > > What are the "automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms"? What are > the configuration parameters of these mechanisms? This is totally > unclear to me: > > > > There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism: > > > > > > > > . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to scale-out or > > > > scale-in. > > The tree view in section 4 is not providing any clarity either: > > > > module: ietf-te-kpi-telemetry > > > > augment /te:te/te:tunnels/te:tunnel: > > > > +-rw te-scaling-intent > > > > | +-rw scale-in-intent > > > > | | +-rw threshold-time? uint32 > > > > | | +-rw cooldown-time? uint32 > > > > | | +-rw scale-in-operation-type? > scaling-criteria-operation > > > > | | +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type] > > > > | | +-rw performance-type identityref > > > > | | +-rw threshold-value? string > > > > | | +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref? > > > > -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name > > > > | +-rw scale-out-intent > > > > | +-rw threshold-time? uint32 > > > > | +-rw cooldown-time? uint32 > > > > | +-rw scale-out-operation-type? > scaling-criteria-operation > > > > | +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type] > > > > | +-rw performance-type identityref > > > > | +-rw threshold-value? string > > > > | +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref? > > > > -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name > > > > > > The meaning of the attributes (e.g. cooldown-time, > scale-in-operation-type) are not explained. > > > > > > My conclusion: this document is not ready yet for WG adoption. The > concerns I raised at IETF104 wer not properly addressed. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dieter > > > > > > > > On 18.04.2019 20:58, Dieter Beller wrote: > > Hi Young, > > > > here is my very first comment: > > > > The abstract reads: > > > > Abstract > > > > > > > > This document provides YANG data models that describe performance > > > > monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels > and > > > > Virtual Networks (VN). > > > > > > > > The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to > > > > and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the > > > > level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with > the > > > > ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level > > > > of TE-tunnel as well as VN. > > When I tried to find the definition of the term "key performance data" > I failed. The terminology section reads: > > > 1.1<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fto > ols.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16%23s > ection-1.1&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637 > 008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C6369508335747 > 86116&sdata=%2F6EH8kSSL2iF3Knr7KmNQYvAcvboCHFawh2JIxB8FAQ%3D&reserved=0> > . Terminology > > > > Refer to > [RFC8453<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F > %2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Frfc8453&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.c > om%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc > %7C1%7C0%7C636950833574786116&sdata=aD1OJYz9BmuzBq95c7T6NsbkghjSMG6Zm7%2 > Fcbhzmn9g%3D&reserved=0>], > [RFC7926<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F > %2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Frfc7926&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.c > om%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc > %7C1%7C0%7C636950833574796110&sdata=XjaHaw76bJz20%2FwNF%2FTmTJcLdQsdp%2F > TvaOBcpptCL04%3D&reserved=0>], and > [RFC8309<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F > %2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Frfc8309&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.c > om%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc > %7C1%7C0%7C636950833574796110&sdata=fia79UTfQHU93LU0Mr%2BwlEOxJGm1Ighqrg > EcSBTmWog%3D&reserved=0>] for the key terms used > > > > in this document. > > > > The term "key performance data" is not defined in section 1.1 nor in > the referenced RFSs! > > Frankly speaking, I have no clue what "key performance data" is. > > > > This is what I was criticizing when you presented the draft in Prague. > > > > More comments will follow. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dieter > > > > > > > > On 18.04.2019 18:56, Dieter Beller wrote: > > Hi Young, > > > > I will have a look at the latest version. Unfortunately, I was not > able to find the necessary time yet. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Dieter > > > > > > On 18.04.2019 18:27, Leeyoung wrote: > > > > Hi Pavan and Lou, > > > > > > > > To recap, the revision addressed all your comments in Prague meeting > on the generalization of this draft so that it would be applicable in > general contexts. And thanks to Tom, all other comments have been > incorporated to improve the draft. > > > > > > > > The co-authors believe that this is ready for WG adoption. Please let > us know if this is the case; otherwise, let us know what needs further > to be done. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Best regards, > > > > Young (on behalf of co-authors) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> > [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:18 AM > > > > To: Daniele Ceccarelli > <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com><mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com > >; Satish Karunanithi > <satish.karunanithi@gmail.com><mailto:satish.karunanithi@gmail.com>; > Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com><mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>; Dhruv Dhody > <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com><mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>; Daniel King > <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk><mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>; Ricard Vilata > <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es><mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>; Ricard Vilalta > <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es><mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es> > > > > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > A new version of I-D, > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt > > > > has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF > repository. > > > > > > > > Name: draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics > > > > Revision: 16 > > > > Title: YANG models for VN & TE Performance Monitoring Telemetry > and Scaling Intent Autonomics > > > > Document date: 2019-04-18 > > > > Group: Individual Submission > > > > Pages: 29 > > > > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-au > tonomics-16.txt > <https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-a utonomics-16.txt> > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http > s%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Finternet-drafts%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-teleme > try-autonomics-16.txt&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1 > a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63 > 6950833574806105&sdata=FjHt7vpTL24Xq4fxEDEXetXI7DRIjfWyOzQ7SGjQCSo%3D&re > served=0> > > > > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autono > mics/ > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auton omics/> > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F > datatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics > %2F&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7 > 688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574806105&s > data=V9pucoRpog%2B05CYYbsZc66BNxU53BhaMZb%2BtvStsndg%3D&reserved=0> > > > > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics- > 16<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftoo > ls.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16&data > =02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7 > C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574806105&sdata=IVS > vZ090Tw6d462NCvTWRuuOhSsd%2FT4g9900aCj4GUY%3D&reserved=0> > > > > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-a > utonomics<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2 > F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry > -autonomics&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576 63 > 7008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574 > 816103&sdata=Hjsww571o%2FRSHcrGREMyLP%2FXXHLszq%2F%2Fi0%2Fesggbrlw%3D&re > served=0> > > > > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auton > omics-16 > <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auto nomics-16> > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F > %2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfcdiff%3Furl2%3Ddraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auto > nomics-16&data=02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a145766370 > 08d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63695083357481 > 6103&sdata=3UA7Y1dsfXmCUFWa3BuTScqIUqjlNnNZlnIVdx6IVg4%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > > > Abstract: > > > > This document provides YANG data models that describe performance > > > > monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels > and > > > > Virtual Networks (VN). > > > > > > > > The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to > > > > and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the > > > > level of TE-tunnel or VN. 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- [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lee… Leeyoung
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Vishnu Pavan Beeram
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Leeyoung
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Young Lee
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… tom petch
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Young Lee
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… tom petch
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… Young Lee
- Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft… tom petch