Re: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting - Jan 28 2016 - Final Agenda

[Alia Atlas <[e-mail]>]

Hi Lou and Pavan,

<hat="individual-contributor">
I regret that I won't be able to attend, since this is against the IESG
telechat.
Therefore, as an individual contributor on this draft, I am expressing my
personal
opinion on the list now.

Frankly, I do not see sufficient interest in the working group or on the
mailing list
for this draft to progress.  The draft was an effort to merge two different
mechanisms
to solve, via RSVP-TE mechanisms, a problem that is already handled outside
of the
protocol in different ways today.  The draft has moved towards expecting
traffic into
the LSP to come from an intelligent source, such as a CE; that's fine but
that's exactly
the case currently handled outside the protocol.

Despite multiple appeals to the WG mailing list and presentations to try
and resolve the
technical conflicts between the two mechanisms, there simply hasn't been
interested discussion and even many of the contributors have not engaged.
Efforts to discuss the
technical concerns or options have not led to conclusions. I do not  think
the current draft
sufficiently describes the needed behavior for interoperability.  The new
draft reflects
an effort to force a result by assertion.

At some point, when there is a clear lack of interest and consensus in the
WG, we have
to be willing to say no and stop working on the draft.  It's always hard to
suggest this
for something one has worked on, but, in this case, where I still have seen
no customer demand and no interest from the WG, I think that is the best
option.

After two years, I don't see how we can expect improvement or interest to
materialize.

It is, obviously, your call - but since I am listed as a contributor and
did pour a considerable amount of effort into trying to fix the draft and
methods, I wanted to clearly express my perspective.

Regards,
Alia
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Agenda - TEAS Virtual Interim Meeting (RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress
> Protection)
> Jan 28th, 2016, 10:00 EST | 15:00 UTC (Duration: 90 mins)
>
> https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m86ad10faf23c77d57acbd0116b5504be
>
> Meeting Number: 649 055 947
> Meeting Password: INGRESS-EGRESS
>
> Audio Connection Details --
> 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)
> 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
> Access code: 649 055 947
>
> The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two
> alternatives contained in <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection>. A
> secondary purpose is to facilitate further discussion on
> <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection>, and gauge WG consensus on both
> drafts.
>
> Drafts:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection/
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection/
>
> - 10 min - Intro/Agenda (Chairs)
>
> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-1.pdf
>
> - 65 min - RSVP-Ingress Protection
>         - 35 min - Solution Proposals: Comparative Analysis (Huaimo Chen)
>
> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-0.pdf
>         - 25 min - Open Discussion
>         - 05 min - Discussion Summary / Next-Steps (Chairs)
>
> - 15 min - RSVP-Egress Protection (Open Discussion)
>
> Meeting Materials -
> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/proceedings.html
>
> Etherpad -
> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-interim-2016-teas-1
>
> Regards,
> - Pavan and Lou
>
>
>
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