Re: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting - Jan 28 2016 - Final Agenda

[Lou Berger <[e-mail]>]

Alia,
   I think you pretty much capture the reasons that we called for this
interim. 

And, yes, hearing about implementation status will be quite important in
deciding on how to move forward post meeting.

Lou

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  "hat": "chair";
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On 1/27/2016 4:52 PM, Alia Atlas wrote:
> Hi Lou and Pavan,
>
> <hat="individual-contributor">
> I regret that I won't be able to attend, since this is against the
> IESG telechat.
> Therefore, as an individual contributor on this draft, I am expressing
> my personal
> opinion on the list now.
>
> Frankly, I do not see sufficient interest in the working group or on
> the mailing list
> for this draft to progress.  The draft was an effort to merge two
> different mechanisms
> to solve, via RSVP-TE mechanisms, a problem that is already handled
> outside of the
> protocol in different ways today.  The draft has moved towards
> expecting traffic into
> the LSP to come from an intelligent source, such as a CE; that's fine
> but that's exactly
> the case currently handled outside the protocol.
>
> Despite multiple appeals to the WG mailing list and presentations to
> try and resolve the
> technical conflicts between the two mechanisms, there simply hasn't
> been interested discussion and even many of the contributors have not
> engaged.  Efforts to discuss the
> technical concerns or options have not led to conclusions. I do not
>  think the current draft 
> sufficiently describes the needed behavior for interoperability.  The
> new draft reflects
> an effort to force a result by assertion.
>
> At some point, when there is a clear lack of interest and consensus in
> the WG, we have
> to be willing to say no and stop working on the draft.  It's always
> hard to suggest this
> for something one has worked on, but, in this case, where I still have
> seen no customer demand and no interest from the WG, I think that is
> the best option.  
>
> After two years, I don't see how we can expect improvement or interest
> to materialize.
>
> It is, obviously, your call - but since I am listed as a contributor
> and did pour a considerable amount of effort into trying to fix the
> draft and methods, I wanted to clearly express my perspective.
>
> Regards,
> Alia
> </hat>
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram
> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>     Agenda - TEAS Virtual Interim Meeting (RSVP Ingress Protection /
>     Egress Protection)
>     Jan 28th, 2016, 10:00 EST | 15:00 UTC (Duration: 90 mins)
>
>     https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m86ad10faf23c77d57acbd0116b5504be
>
>     Meeting Number: 649 055 947
>     Meeting Password: INGRESS-EGRESS
>
>     Audio Connection Details --
>     1-877-668-4493 <tel:[phone]> Call-in toll free number
>     (US/Canada)
>     1-650-479-3208 <tel:[phone]> Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
>     Access code: 649 055 947
>
>     The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two
>     alternatives contained in
>     <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection>. A secondary purpose is
>     to facilitate further discussion on
>     <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection>, and gauge WG consensus
>     on both drafts.
>
>     Drafts:
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection/
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection/
>
>     - 10 min - Intro/Agenda (Chairs)
>                    
>     https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-1.pdf
>
>     - 65 min - RSVP-Ingress Protection
>             - 35 min - Solution Proposals: Comparative Analysis
>     (Huaimo Chen)
>                            
>     https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-0.pdf
>
>             - 25 min - Open Discussion
>             - 05 min - Discussion Summary / Next-Steps (Chairs)
>
>     - 15 min - RSVP-Egress Protection (Open Discussion)
>
>     Meeting Materials -
>     https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/proceedings.html
>
>     Etherpad -
>     http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-interim-2016-teas-1
>
>     Regards,
>     - Pavan and Lou
>
>
>
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