Re: [TLS] Breaking into TLS to protect customers

Artyom Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Thu, 15 March 2018 03:34 UTC

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 03:33:48 +0000
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Breaking into TLS to protect customers
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Are we going to discuss draft-fenter ad hoc, or we'll start a new thread
dedicated to that? Because I strongly believe I also have some suggestions
for that draft.

ср, 14 мар. 2018 г., 23:30 Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com>;:

> Some on this list have said that they need to break into TLS in order to
> protect customers.
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> The thing customers seem to need the most protection is having their
> personal data stolen.  It seems to happen with amazing and disappointing
> regularity on astounding scales.  Some examples include
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>    - retailer Target, presumably subject to PCI-DSS rules
>    - Anthem health insurance, presumably a regulated industry
>    - Equifax, a financial-business organization (but apparently not
>    regulated)
>    - Yahoo, a company created on and by and for the Internet (one would
>    think they know better)
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> We could, of course, go on and on and on.
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> NONE of those organizations are using TLS 1.3.
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> So what kind of “protect the customer” requires breaking TLS?  And what
> benefits and increased protection will customers see?
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