Re: [TLS] is it good using password for authentication only?
Thijs van Dijk <schnabbel@inurbanus.nl> Sun, 19 July 2015 10:42 UTC
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 12:42:22 +0200
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From: Thijs van Dijk <schnabbel@inurbanus.nl>
To: Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard <mpg2@elzevir.fr>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] is it good using password for authentication only?
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Hi Manuel, On 19 July 2015 at 12:21, Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard <mpg2@elzevir.fr> wrote: > I'm probably wrong since I only thought about it for a few minutes, but it > seems to me that the PasswordVerify message would be encrypted with (keys > derived from) the handshake master secret, which would prevent offline > attacks. > > What am I missing? The key observation is the following: (I mentioned this off-list a few weeks ago, but I guess I'll post it here as well for posterity.) [T]he master secret will be derived from the client's and server's > respective KeyShare messages, and will therefore be known at the time the > server's PasswordVerify is sent. A malicious client could therefore perform > half a handshake (just enough to get the server to give up its PV message), > abort, and proceed with an offline attack in its own time. I thought about switching the order in which server and client send their > PV, but in much the same manner this won't protect clients from malicious > servers. -Thijs
- [TLS] is it good using password for authenticatio… Bingzheng Wu
- Re: [TLS] is it good using password for authentic… Bingzheng Wu
- Re: [TLS] is it good using password for authentic… Bingzheng Wu
- Re: [TLS] is it good using password for authentic… Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] is it good using password for authentic… Thijs van Dijk
- Re: [TLS] is it good using password for authentic… Mike Hamburg
- Re: [TLS] is it good using password for authentic… Manuel Pegourie-Gonnard