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Re: [TLS] Breaking into TLS for enterprise "visibility" (don't do it)

Carl Wallace <carl@redhoundsoftware.com> Sat, 24 March 2018 16:47 UTC

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:46:52 -0400
From: Carl Wallace <carl@redhoundsoftware.com>
To: Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com>
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From:  TLS <tls-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Tony Arcieri
<bascule@gmail.com>
Date:  Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 11:31 AM
Subject:  Re: [TLS] Breaking into TLS for enterprise "visibility" (don't do
it)

> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:26 PM, Alex C <immibis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As I understand it (poorly!) the idea is exactly to have a single system on
>> the network that monitors all traffic in cleartext.
> 
> And more specifically: to be able to *passively* intercept traffic and allow
> it to be decrypted by a central system. "Visibility" with an active MitM is a
> solved problem: have the MitM appliance double as an on-the-fly CA and install
> its root certificate in the trust stores of all the clients you intend to
> MitM.

It's not a solved problem for mutual authentication scenarios even if you
drop the passive requirement (as should be done in such cases anyway).

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