[Tools-discuss] Re: Suggested Wording Change: “Disapprove and Delete” → “Decline and Delete”
Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Fri, 25 July 2025 11:40 UTC
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Subject: [Tools-discuss] Re: Suggested Wording Change: “Disapprove and Delete” → “Decline and Delete”
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I created https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/9242 pointing to your suggestion in the mail archive. RjS On 7/25/25 11:46 AM, Marco Davids (IETF IMAP) wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to suggest a small wording change in the Datatracker > interface. Currently, the button that allows WG chairs to reject a > document adoption request is labelled: > > "Disapprove and Delete" > > The word "disapprove" may unintentionally suggest a value judgement or > disapproval of the document's content or quality. In many cases, > however, a chair may simply want to decline the request for procedural > or timing reasons - without expressing any negative stance. > > Therefore, I propose changing the label to: > > “Decline and Delete” > > This phrasing is more neutral, aligns better with the chair's role in > this context, and avoids unintended implications. > > Thanks for considering! > > Best regards, >
- [Tools-discuss] Suggested Wording Change: “Disapp… Marco Davids (IETF IMAP)
- [Tools-discuss] Re: Suggested Wording Change: “Di… Robert Sparks