Re: [Trans] Certificate Transparency log GDPR compliance

Eran Messeri <eranm@google.com> Tue, 12 March 2019 13:37 UTC

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From: Eran Messeri <eranm@google.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:36:52 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Trans] Certificate Transparency log GDPR compliance
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Hi,

This issue has been discussed in the past, at least on one CT policy day I
recall.

There's currently no mechanism to remove a certificate from a public log -
mechanisms to do so were proposed (e.g. replacing the certificate with a
leaf that contains only its hash and a forward-pointer to a record in the
log explaining why it was removed) but IIRC the consensus was that  all
such mechanisms would be open to mis-use as there would be no way to
automatically/programatically verify that the reason specified for a
removal of a certificate is a valid one.

Eran

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 12:51 AM Taavi Eomäe <taavieomae@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I hope this is the right place to ask this question. The question itself
> is quite simple, how resilient is Certificate Transparency logs to GDPR
> takedown requests and what are the methods of removing a certificate from
> public logs without compromising the integrity of the logs?
>
> The reason why I'm asking this seemingly simple question is because
> Estonia has been issuing certificates to it's citizens since 2003, they're
> issued by a public CA and some of the certificates already exist in current
> logs (
> https://ct.googleapis.com/rocketeer/ct/v1/get-entries?start=110654446&end=110654446
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://ct.googleapis.com/rocketeer/ct/v1/get-entries?start%3D110654446%26end%3D110654446&sa=D&usg=AFQjCNEbCbHE9OvVwN9nQWP0i2m38mSbcw>).
> But if I'm not mistaken, GDPR applies to CT as well, those certificates
> contain PII, thus those certificates should be under the "mercy" of who's
> PII it is, but as far as I've searched, noone has discussed this
> previously, am I wrong?
>
>
>
>
>
> Taavi Eomäe
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