Re: [v6ops] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras-05: (with COMMENT)

Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com> Wed, 01 August 2018 11:55 UTC

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From: Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 21:55:20 +1000
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To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras-05: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Adam,

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:
> §3.3.1:
>
>>  It should be noted that in IPv4 multihoming with NAT, when the egress
>>  interface is chosen without taking packet source address into account
>>  (as internal hosts usually have addresses from [RFC1918] space),
>>  sessions can not be preserved after an uplink recovery.
>
> This isn't necessarily true. For example, if the NAT is tracking which
> ISP-facing interface is associated with a given established session, the
> sessions will survive restoration of an uplink.  I have exactly such an IPv4
> multi-homing configuration working on my home network (with RFC 1918 addresses
> assigned to all local devices), and will happily share details of my
> configuration with interested parties.
>
> I propose striking this paragraph from the document.

Good point. I've rephrased it to
"It should be noted that in IPv4 multihoming with NAT, when the egress
   interface is chosen without taking packet source address into account
   (as internal hosts usually have addresses from [RFC1918] space),
   sessions might not be preserved after an uplink recovery unless
   packet forwarding is integrated with existing NAT sessions tracking."

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras-06#section-3.3.1

Would it address your concern?

Thanks!

(P.S. All nits fixed, thanks for pointing them out!)

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SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry