[WIMSE] Re: [Seat] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: Re: Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation (Formal proof of insecurity of Intel's RA-TLS and draft-fossati-tls-attestation)
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Subject: [WIMSE] Re: [Seat] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: Re: Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation (Formal proof of insecurity of Intel's RA-TLS and draft-fossati-tls-attestation)
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2026 23:48:22 -0000
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 6:12 PM Muhammad Usama Sardar < muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de> wrote: > Could WIMSE clarify which one of the following is intended in its > attestation? > > 1. Software-based attestation *only* > 2. Any of software-based attestation or hardware-based attestation > > This is a false dichotomy. Wimse is trying to keep it generic, without locking in to anything. Perhaps someone wants to do attestation via the Horn of Valere, and deem something attested when the horn is blown. It does not matter. As others also tried to convey, there is no interest to blow this up with massive amounts of attestation details. It is the wrong place for that. WIMSE is not SEAT. Paul
- [WIMSE] Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation (Fo… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Sorin Dumitru
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Sorin Dumitru
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Justin Richer
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Pieter Kasselman
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Justin Richer
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Arndt Schwenkschuster
- [WIMSE] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up of meeting 1… Yaron Sheffer
- [WIMSE] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up of meeting 1… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up of meeting 1… Henk Birkholz
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up o… Kathleen Moriarty
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up o… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up of me… Justin Richer
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up of me… Kathleen Moriarty
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up o… Kathleen Moriarty
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up of me… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up of me… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up of me… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up o… Manu Fontaine
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up o… Nathanael Ritz
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up o… Manu Fontaine
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up o… Mandyam, Giridhar
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-up o… Joseph Salowey
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Fol… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-… Nathanael Ritz
- [WIMSE] Re: [Seat] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: Re: Re: Fol… Paul Wouters
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-… John Kemp
- [WIMSE] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: [Seat] Re: Re: Follow-… Justin Richer
- [WIMSE] Re: [Seat] Re: [Rats] Re: Re: Re: Re: Fol… Paul Wouters
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Justin Richer
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Pieter Kasselman
- [WIMSE] Re: Follow-up of meeting 122 presentation… Muhammad Usama Sardar