Re: [xml2rfc-dev] DOIs in <reference> inside <referencegroup>

Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org> Mon, 24 June 2019 13:13 UTC

Return-Path: <rse@rfc-editor.org>
X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851F6120289 for <xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 06:13:06 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.199
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5pJo7UQ0nkCS for <xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 06:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2680A120155 for <xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org>; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 06:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DDE1C1346; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 06:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iVl05eGj9dK5; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 06:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.119.9.50] (unknown [209.135.211.167]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20DA51C1343; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 06:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org>
Message-Id: <64D00A00-89F3-4219-8CDD-5823FD39B792@rfc-editor.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CB992FF7-3C85-45DD-B7E9-11BDCB6C0368"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\))
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 09:13:02 -0400
In-Reply-To: <d9f46a41-16f8-d10b-9769-611bc75d6d54@gmx.de>
Cc: XML Developer List <xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org>
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
References: <457b65f3-3950-174b-9e51-aaf7dd0fe827@gmx.de> <6E04A36E-E9A6-495D-8237-196320BB7E26@rfc-editor.org> <d9f46a41-16f8-d10b-9769-611bc75d6d54@gmx.de>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/xml2rfc-dev/LzxBfAjh3-ziyqqZv0wLHoGSQpg>
Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] DOIs in <reference> inside <referencegroup>
X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." <xml2rfc-dev.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/xml2rfc-dev>, <mailto:xml2rfc-dev-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/xml2rfc-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:xml2rfc-dev-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc-dev>, <mailto:xml2rfc-dev-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:13:06 -0000


> On Jun 24, 2019, at 9:09 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> On 24.06.2019 14:51, Heather Flanagan wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 3:00 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> I just noticed
>>> <https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/changeset/3130>.
>>> 
>>> This seems to contradict the style guide
>>> (<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-flanagan-7322bis-03#section-4.8.6.3>)
>>> and also doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
>>> 
>>> What was the reason for this change?
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Julian
>>> 
>> 
>> Sorry for the delay!
>> 
>> The subseries collections don’t have DOIs; only individual RFCs do. If the reference is to a subseries set, then no DOI should be included.
>> 
>> -Heather
> 
> I understand that the *subseries* doesn't have a DOI.
> 
> But let's consider
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-flanagan-7322bis-03#section-4.8.6.3 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-flanagan-7322bis-03#section-4.8.6.3>>:
> 
>>   For an STD or BCP that contains two or more RFCs:
>> 
>>   [STDXXX]  Last name, First initial., Ed. (if applicable), "RFC
>>   Title", Stream, Sub-series number, RFC number, RFC DOI, Date of
>>   publication.
>> 
>>            Last name, First initial., Ed. (if applicable)
>>            and First initial. Last name, Ed. (if applicable),
>>            "RFC Title", Stream, Sub-series number, RFC number, RFC DOI,
>>            Date of publication.
>> 
>>            <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/std# <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/std#>>
> 
> I assume this was meant to display as:
> 
>>   For an STD or BCP that contains two or more RFCs:
>> 
>>   [STDXXX]  Last name, First initial., Ed. (if applicable), "RFC
>>             Title", Stream, Sub-series number, RFC number, RFC DOI, Date of
>>             publication.
>> 
>>             Last name, First initial., Ed. (if applicable)
>>             and First initial. Last name, Ed. (if applicable),
>>             "RFC Title", Stream, Sub-series number, RFC number, RFC DOI,
>>             Date of publication.
>> 
>>             <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/std# <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/std#>>
> 
> So where this says "RFC DOI" it refers to the DOI of the RFC that is
> part of the subseries, so this should stay, right?
> 
> 

I think that is more a mistake in the style guide more than the tool.

-Heather