Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from LSR [Fwd: [Lsr] When to augment LSR base YANG modules...]
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Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from LSR [Fwd: [Lsr] When to augment LSR base YANG modules...]
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Hi Martin, On 4/2/19, 7:29 AM, "yang-doctors on behalf of Martin Bjorklund" <yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mbj@tail-f.com> wrote: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org> > > Sent: 02 April 2019 11:31 > > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com> > > Cc: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>; YANG Doctors <yang- > > doctors@ietf.org>; Yingzhen Qu <yingzhen.qu@huawei.com> > > Subject: Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from LSR [Fwd: > > [Lsr] > > When to augment LSR base YANG modules...] > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 2019, at 5:52 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > > > I don’t think that there is a one size fits all answer here. > > > > > > If the enhancement is small, and is likely to be reasonably widely > > > used then > > my view is that adding it as an optional feature to the base module is > > a better > > choice in the long term. > > > > > > If the feature is larger, or esoteric, and perhaps won’t be widely > > > deployed > > then I would think that putting it into a separate module might be a > > better > > choice. > > > > > > I actually think that it is the IETF process that is perhaps the > > > difficult thing > > here. I.e. I think that you want to republish a new revision of the > > base > > module, but in a way that gets processed more quickly by the IESG. > > E.g. > > request that they only review/comment on the diffs between the current > > revision and the previous one. Or somehow publish an updated revision > > of > > the module on github without assigning it a new RFC number every time. > > > > Yes, although I'm trying to do a couple things: > > > > - Get YANG management support added at the same time as the > > functionality, not as an after thought maybe someday, maybe never. > > I agree that this is definitely the right thing to do. > > > > - Reduce the cost of adding the YANG support. A stand-alone document is > > very expensive time and effort wise, separate IESG reviews, > > directorate > > reviews, last-calls. > > I agree. And rev'ing the base ISIS YANG model is likely to be just as > expensive. My suggestion was not to rev the base model, but have _one_ model with these "optional features", and rev that every time. The alternative to individual modules we had discussed is to "batch" these features in a single document. However, once published, we'd start on the next set of optional features. From a programmability standpoint, which is preferred option? Are they all pretty much the same level of complexity? Thanks, Acee > > I had wondered if we could use errata on the base vs doing a brand new > > bis > > version of the base module; however, this seems to be trading too much > > process overhead with perhaps not quite enough. > > > > To the first goal, I wrote that reverse metric module a couple days > > ago as an > > example. I have to wonder when or even if it would have gotten written > > (or > > the equivalent feature added) otherwise. Instead I suspect it would > > just get > > added into N vendors models as people move on to other things in the > > WG. > > > > In a perfect world I would add a YANG section to my functionality RFC > > that > > updated (not augment) the base module, but with augment style > > definition > > (i.e., so the entire huge base module doesn't need to be > > re-represented in > > the document). This would then cause the base document to get reissued > > with the changes. Sort of like IANA sections are capable of updating a > > registry. > > We almost want to just include a diff/patch to the base model into the > document. This is actually a little bit like how IEEE 802 update > their documents, and then they periodically roll their updates into > the base model. > > > > > > So maybe your github idea is like this, we create a module definition > > registry > > where the most up-to-date module definitions go, and then RFCs can > > update > > that using something like (or exactly like) augment to document the > > changes > > to the module in the individual RFCs. > > Yes. We want the review to only focus on the stuff that is new/added > rather than reviewing the whole module every time. > > Martin's suggestion of using submodules is another way to achieve > this. E.g. the actual module definition is split over multiple RFCs, > but I'm not that keen on submodules and I suspect that this will make > them hard to read in future. Note that we can "gc" the submodules and fold their contents into the main module, or perhaps a "top" submodule, when you have N submodules. > I think that the real answer here is that YANG modules should not be > published in RFCs. Yes, they should go through a similar formal > review process for changes to the modules but without the overhead of > reviewing every change as a new document. Right. This is longer term though, since it requires a process update! /martin _______________________________________________ yang-doctors mailing list yang-doctors@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors
- [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from LSR … Christian Hopps
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Christian Hopps
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Christian Hopps
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [yang-doctors] Small modules discussion from … Reshad Rahman (rrahman)