Re: [113attendees] ventilation [Manycouches] Roman Danyliw's Block on charter-ietf-shmoo-01-00: (with BLOCK and COMMENT)

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

No more than once a week, I promiss!

A paper since August 2021 about ventilation schemes and covid.

https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/177405/

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Le 20/01/2022 à 08:49, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
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> Le 20/01/2022 à 01:45, Roman Danyliw via Datatracker wrote on shmoo WG:
>> Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for 
>> charter-ietf-shmoo-01-00: Block
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> BLOCK:
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>>  Concur with Martin Duke's position.  I don't follow how the IETF has
>> sufficient expertise to produce a BCP associated with the generic
>> scope of "[m]eeting planning for meetings where special measures are
>> required to manage community health due to venue specific
>> restrictions and/or to comply with any local health regulations, ..."
>> If possible, please be more specific.  For example, what kind of
>> decisions would this BCP be intended to support?  The provided 
>> examples of "the need for increased spacing, ventilation
>> requirements"
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> Ventilation: have ventilation from down to up.  Do not use horizontal
> ventilation, even if that involves filtering (see Dyson) or open window
> with a person nearby (see gov't advice) or solely the filtered
> ventilation - these are all just apparent help and might be worsening
> the covid transmission by projecting the virus horizontally from one
> person to another.
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> That is the ventilation advice.
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> That advice is my personal advice from personal experience of various
> seetings.
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> That is not implemented in many conference spaces I could look at.  Or
> it is not stated as such.  Recently, in the news they say that the
> 'slaon de l'agriculture' (farms fair) will use 'improved ventilation' in
> the end of March.  In August 2021, during my PCR testing, it was in a
> room with this kind of vertical ventilation.  Recently, at work office
> they distributed ventilators in emergency for all but then they
> cancelled and said they should not be used.  I suspect it is because of
> that horizontal aspect.
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> I think IETF might rely on this absence of specification of 'down to up'
> ventilation, but that does not mean it is a good thing, even if it comes
> from elsewhere.
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> I agree this is not in scope of IETF competency skillset.
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> I agree there is large debate about what to be done of this virus (if to
> do anything at all, see UK gov't retreat from mandatory covid measures
> of yesterday), and myself I do not have necessary formal skillset.
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> Alex
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>  seem
>> like mitigations suggested by or requirements imposed by entities
>> outside of the IETF.
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> COMMENT:
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>>  Please provide milestones to cover this new work.
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