Re: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G

Do we have a date/time/location for the 5gangip Side-Meeting yet?

Thanks

David

From: 5gangip [mailto:5gangip-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dr Stephen P CASTELL
Sent: 17 February 2018 12:11
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Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com; 5gangip@ietf.org; 'Rick Chandler' <rick.chandler1@btinternet.com>; Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de
Subject: Re: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G

Rick

My wish list: (Mobile) Blockchain and GDPR – how can blockchain ever be compliant with Art 17 GDPR, when its permanence and immutability is its key ‘thing’?

http://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/article-17-right-to-erasure-'right-to-be-forgotten'-GDPR.htm
"Right to erasure ('right to be forgotten')" ... (e) the personal data have to be erased for compliance with a legal obligation in Union or Member State law to which the controller is subject;

https://hackernoon.com/forever-on-the-chain-c755838dfc79
https://bitsonblocks.net/2016/02/29/a-gentle-introduction-to-immutability-of-blockchains/
https://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-immutability-myth/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/yec/2017/05/04/debunking-blockchain-myths-and-how-they-will-impact-the-future-of-business/#583e1d815609

Kind regards,
Stephen Castell.

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Subject: Fwd: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G

Legal posse, give your wish list to rick as CMA rep he will be at Mobile world congress next week.
Yours Faithfully,

David S. Misell MIET MBCS CISSP
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From: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>
Subject: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G
Date: 15 February 2018 at 09:37:33 GMT
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Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com<mailto:behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com>

Dear all,
After some good discussion here on the list and some initial contact with IAB, we think it could be worth to spend more thoughts on the ID-Loc split topic of a mapping system providing end-to-end privacy of both Identities and Location of peers. The use cases are 5G related route optimization for changing (mobile) points of attachment of both end terminals (UE) and network function services (e.g. UPF) …
Focus should be on concrete approaches which can be prototyped instead of pure theoretical (academic) discussions
We think the work needs a problem statement draft, a comprehensive list of requirements, and a framework document showing the environment where the solution would fit in (w/o yet a complete solution space analysis) … in that priority.
We solicit for a discussion on the list before we meet in London.
In London, IETF 101, we plan on organizing a side-meeting where we could have a set of stimulating presentations.
Topics we can imagine currently are
- 5G lab trials.
- Any initial work on the first deployment experience which potentially underline the identified problem.
Volunteers are welcome – please  announce your proposal to Behcet and Dirk!
Other ideas, proposal, comments? Please speak up!
Thanks a lot and Best Regards – also on behalf of Behcet
Dirk
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