[6lowpan] Re: [RSN] Re: Routing in L2N presentation file
Kris Pister <pister@eecs.berkeley.edu> Fri, 10 August 2007 17:47 UTC
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Subject: [6lowpan] Re: [RSN] Re: Routing in L2N presentation file
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JP - great presentation. I hope that it was well received. I'm very supportive of everything in that document, with one exception. There is one assumption that I believe is potentially fatal to the entire 6lowpan/rsn effort in ietf. On slide 11 you state "Research has focused on near-optimal solutions to specific problems", and then in bold "IP is maximizing interoperability, not aiming at finding a local optimum ;-)". I agree with the second statement, but the first one is flat out wrong. Very few people in sensor network research seem to care about near-optimal solutions. Consider one of the best-received papers [Kim07] at the recent IPSN conference. Note that the authors are leaders in the field, this is a respected conference, one of the better papers, and this is the dissertation work culminating four years of research on this project. The paper presents the best academic work to date on reliable multi-hop data collection, MP2P. The payload goodput in this network was 1.4% of the channel bandwidth, at 100% radio duty cycle. This is not "near-optimal" in any sense that I know. If we start with 1.4%, and then degrade that so that we can maximize interoperability, we'll be left with something that no one will use. We have an opportunity to do this right - let's not fall victim to the Zigbee-esque assumption that all we need to do is define *something* and adoption will be automatic. ksjp [Kim07] Kim, Pakzad, Culler, Demmel, Fenves, Glaser, Turon, "Health Monitoring of Civil Infrastructures Using Wireless Sensor Networks", IPSN07. JP Vasseur wrote: > Hi Ved, > > On Jul 25, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Ved Kafle wrote: > >> Hi JP, >> >> Is it possible to get the presentation file you used in the routing area >> meeting? >> I could find it on the web. >> > > I was about to do so, here it is: > We'll soon have a Web Page to point to for RSN related work. > > Thanks. > > JP. > >> Ved Kafle > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > RSN mailing list > RSN@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rsn _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan
- [6lowpan] Re: [RSN] Re: Routing in L2N presentati… Kris Pister
- [6lowpan] Re: [RSN] Re: Routing in L2N presentati… Philip Levis
- [6lowpan] Re: [RSN] Re: Routing in L2N presentati… Kris Pister
- [6lowpan] Re: [RSN] Re: Routing in L2N presentati… Philip Levis
- [6lowpan] Re: [RSN] Re: Routing in L2N presentati… JP Vasseur