Re: [6tisch] Attracting your attention on a charter text update

"Prof. Diego Dujovne" <diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> Mon, 01 February 2016 19:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [6tisch] Attracting your attention on a charter text update
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El feb 1, 2016 9:03 AM, "Tom Phinney" <tom.phinney@cox.net> escribió:

> +1
> ===
> On 2016.02.01 07:58, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>
> Dear all:
>
>
>
> I did not get any comment on the proposed change (below).
>
> I’m willing to assume it’s good news. If you disagree please let it be
> known now.
>
> Thomas and I will meet this week and conclude.
>
>
>
> “Produce an Information Model containing the management requirements
>
> of a 6TiSCH node. A data model mapping for an existing protocol (such as
> Concise
>
> Binary Object Representation (CBOR) over the Constrained Application …”
>
>
>
> Would become
>
> “Produce a Data Model expressed in YANG and enabling the management
>
> of the 6top sublayer. A mapping for an existing protocol (such as Concise
>
> Binary Object Representation (CBOR) over the Constrained Application …
>
> “
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *From:* 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org <6tisch-bounces@ietf.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> *Sent:* vendredi 29 janvier 2016 17:50
> *To:* Qin Wang <qinwang6top@yahoo.com> <qinwang6top@yahoo.com>om>; Brian
> Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net> <brian@innovationslab.net>et>;
> 6tisch@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [6tisch] information model or data model in the new charter
>
>
>
> I agree Qin;
>
>
>
> “Produce an Information Model containing the management requirements
>
> of a 6TiSCH node. A data model mapping for an existing protocol (such as
> Concise
>
> Binary Object Representation (CBOR) over the Constrained Application …”
>
>
>
> Would become
>
> “Produce a Data Model expressed in Yand and enabling the management
>
> of the 6top sublayer. A mapping for an existing protocol (such as Concise
>
> Binary Object Representation (CBOR) over the Constrained Application …
>
> “
>
>
>
> Note that I reduced the scope of the data model to the 6ttop piece.
>
>
>
> Is that what we want ?
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *From:* Qin Wang [mailto:qinwang6top@yahoo.com <qinwang6top@yahoo.com>]
> *Sent:* vendredi 29 janvier 2016 16:49
> *To:* Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>et>; Pascal Thubert
> (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>om>; 6tisch@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [6tisch] information model or data model in the new charter
>
>
>
> Hi Brain, Pascal and all,
>
>
>
> I think both what we actually did in the current 6top-interface draft, and
> what we are going to redo as Thomas and Xavi suggested in the last Webex,
> are Yang date model of 6top, instead of information model. Thus, I think we
> need to re-word the Charter accordingly. Make sense?
>
>
>
> In addition, the attached file presents clear definition on both interface
> model and Yang model.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Qin
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 2:48 PM, Brian Haberman <
> brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Pascal,
>
> On 1/27/16 2:38 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> > Hello Brian and Qin:
> >
> > We discussed that at the time of the first charter, using RFC 3444 as
> > our reference; it is my understanding that we aimed the 6top
> > interface document
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-6top-interface at
> > providing a Yang Data model to manage the 6top layer in a device. It
> > is my understanding that some form of information model in natural
> > language would be present in the 6top draft, but my reading of the
> > 6top interface is that there is some degree of information model
> > there too, that explains the data model. If so, is that a problem?
>
> I don't think the problem is in a *document*. Benoit is questioning the
> wording of the proposed charter.  I would suggest reviewing his comments
> in light of the current wording of the new charter text.
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-6tisch/
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-6tisch/ballot/#benoit-claise
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Brian
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> >> -----Original Message----- From: 6tisch
> >> [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Haberman Sent:
> >> lundi 25 janvier 2016 14:11 To: 6tisch@ietf.org Subject: Re:
> >> [6tisch] information model or data model in the new charter
> >>
> >> Hi Qin,
> >>
> >> On 1/22/16 3:30 PM, Qin Wang wrote:
> >>> Dear all, In today's Webex meeting, we were talking about the
> >>> feedback from Bonoit about the new Charter, see [6tisch] Benoit
> >>> Claise's No Objection on charter-ietf-6tisch-01-00: (with
> >>> COMMENT), and want to continue the discussion in the ML. The
> >>> question is what is exactly we want to do with Yang model, and
> >>> how to make the paragraph about Yang model in the new Charter
> >>> more accurate. Any comments and suggestion is welcome. ThanksQin
> >>>
> >>
> >> This issue needs to get resolved before I will release the charter
> >> for external review. Benoit's point illustrated an issue in the
> >> charter where it is not clear as to whether the WG is interested in
> >> an information model or a data model.
> >>
> >> Regards, Brian
>
>
>
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