[6tsch] Recording of WebEx 8 March 2013

["Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <[e-mail]>]

Thanks Thomas:

I had an error coming from the recording so I stopped it and retried.
The initial 10 minutes are thus missing but it appears that most of the meeting is available:

https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=MC&rID=66584037&rKey=04f7d34938f3bce6

Cheers,

Pascal

From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Thomas Watteyne
Sent: vendredi 8 mars 2013 18:40
To: IETF 6TSCH
Subject: [6tsch] minutes WebEx 8 March 2013

All,
Notes of today's meeting below. Please correct inline and reply.
Thomas

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*** Timestamps in PST. ***

Present:
- Herman Storey
- Maria Rita Palattella
- Norman Finn
- Pascal Thubert
- Qin Wang
- Shitanshu Shah
- Thomas Watteyne
- Tina Tsou
- Tom Phinney
- Xavi Vilajosana

Agenda:
- Introduction to the terminology draft [10min] [Maria Rita]
- Diffserv Recommendations for LLN class of traffic [5min] [Shitanshu]
   - http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-svshah-tsvwg-lln-diffserv-recommendations/
- Agenda for new week meetings [10min] [Pascal]
- Changes in other drafts [10min]
   - draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context [Thomas]
   - draft-wang-6tsch-6tus [Qin]
   - draft-thubert-6tsch-architecture [Pascal]
- Mailing list discussions [30min]
   - DSCPs and priorities [Thomas]
   - imux/mux [Qin]

Minutes:
- [08.04] meeting starts
- [08.05] Introduction to the new terminology draft [Maria Rita]
   - [Pascal] This draft extends ROLL and autoconf terminology, which are included as references.
   - [Maria Rita] Presents slides.
   - [Maria Rita] draft was triggered by the fact that "link" and "path" have different meaning in TSCH and IETF parlance.
   - [Maria Rita] "Cell": Single element in the TSCH schedule. Replaces "link" term in TSCH.
   - [Maria Rita] "Bundle": A group of equivalent scheduled cells. Replaces (although not exactly) "path" term in TSCH.
   - [Maria Rita] Draft there to avoid confusion, we will include other terms as work progresses.
   - [Maria Rita] Draft will be published on Monday.
- [08.14] Diffserv Recommendations for LLN class of traffic [Shitanshu]
   - draft at http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-svshah-tsvwg-lln-diffserv-recommendations/
   - Shitanshu presents slides.
   - Context: this draft was presented at the last IETF meeting in Atlanta.
   - Goal: using Diffserv in context of LLN
   - Motivation: RFC4594 is well documented recommendation for traditional classes of traffic. Yet, does not cover LLN. What this draft does it:
      - categorize LLN
      - lists explicit recommendations for LLN
      - always keeping RFC4594 as a reference
   - source points to mark appropriate DSCP code point
   - LLN Traffic Classes identified from ROLL requirement drafts
      - 6 categories: alerts/alarms, control signals, deterministic control signals, Video Monitoring/feed, Query-based data, Periodic Reporting/log & software downloads.
      - each class characterized in terms of loss, delay and jitter. Some classes are different from RFC4594, justifying the need for this new draft. Example: deterministic control signals.
   - [Tom] Alerts/Alarms traffic are bursty because multiple network elements can signal the same physical events (e.g. explosion).
   - [Herman] You don't want to loose any alert/alarm packets
   - [Shitanshu] Agreed, will update draft.
   - [Herman] Is there a class for network management?
   - [Pascal] In some cases, network control needs to be the highest priority since network falls apart when no network control packets can be transmitted.
   - [Pascal] DSCP will play key role in packet priority. There is no DSCP for flow priority.
   - [Pascal] PHB means "per hop behavior"
   - [Shitanshu] Draft proposed code-point EF
   - [Herman] Why are emergency action outside of IP networks?
   - [Shitanshu] Other techniques are used which are not IP.
   - [Herman] There are IP-based solutions. Operate as dedicated network, not connected to complete Internet (non routable subnet), but use IP address.
   - [Shitanshu] We can remove the term IP.
- [08.35] Agenda for new week meetings [Pascal]
   - Tuesday (Caribbean 2):
      - admin
         - we will have 5-10min during the ROLL meeting to present 6tsch
         - 6tsch meeting follows ROLL meeting, same room
         - we need to leave 15min before end to set up next meeting, so we will really only have one hour.
         - we will have projector, not clear whether we will be able to provide live online feed.
      - Goal: prepare for successful BoF in Berlin
      - Scope: the backbone with PCE (Path Computation Entity) and one or more LLN running 6LoWPAN, 6TSCH, RPL.
      - we use draft-phinney-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability as a starting point.
      - goals and deliverables:
         - informational: LLN context, architecture, terminology
         - new: 6tus, protocol for reserving track
         - adapt existing: OF for RPL, fragment forwarding (problems because don't have DSCP)
         - extern docs: backbone router (from 6MAN), PCE (is a WG, need to coordinate)
      - dependencies and liaison:
         - IEEE 802.1TSN (Norman)
         - ISA100.20 are defining arbstraction for management layer to manage the managers (e.g. blacklist channels). We could use same formats.
         - IoT6. European project. They use very similar architecture as ours.
   - Wednesday (Boca 2)
      - admin:
         - in Boca 2, which we can stay in past 1pm.
      - we will go over different drafts
         - draft-phinney-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.
            - published at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-phinney-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-02
            - [Tom] Analysis of classifications of types of communications that occur. Applies to all automation systems, worked out over years by many people.
            - [Pascal] Good source of inspiration.
         - draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context
            - published at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context-01
            - [Thomas] do not expect -02 for Orlando, but will need rewording for new terminology.
         - draft-wang-6tsch-6tus
            - [Pascal] Caution, we cannot reinvent MPLS.
            - [Xavi] will be published on Monday.
         - draft-palattella-6tsch-terminology
            - see presentation above
            - will be published on Monday.
         - draft-thubert-6tsch-architecture
            - [Pascal] will be work-in-progress for a long time, since incorporates changes/concepts from other drafts.
            - [Pascal] More text to follow: network synchronization, 6tus, management, etc.
            - [Thomas] Can be seen a index for other drafts, could serve as first draft to read when familiarizing with 6tsch.
- [08.55] Priority discussion
   - [Thomas] We don't have much time left, so instead of starting discussion, will prepare slides for Wednesday meeting.
   - [Pascal] Will add slot for Wednesday meeting.
   - [Pascal] Pascal will meet with Shitanshu on Monday morning, Thomas will meet with Pascal on Monday evening and Tuesday.
- [10.00]
   - [Thomas] Will be meeting stay at this time?
   - [Tom,Pascal] For the moment yes
   - [Pascal] There is not call next week because of IETF meeting.
- [10.05] Meeting ends.