Re: [72attendees] Water bottles - Complain!

Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com> Fri, 01 August 2008 10:22 UTC

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At 11:18 AM +0100 8/1/08, Dave Crocker wrote:

>  which means a) the concern has validity, and b) it was a year ago 
> and might no longer apply -- and google does not show any followup 
> news during the last 3 months.
>
>  On the other hand, there is a larger point about increasing 
> reports, applicable throughout the developed world, namely that 
> previously solid infrastructure services have been increasingly 
> problematic.

He mentioned the E. Coli contamination as part of a larger 
conversation about poor awareness of water quality and sewage 
treatment (or lack thereof).

-- 
Randall Gellens
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