Re: [Ace] call for adoption for draft-marin-ace-wg-coap-eap

Dan Garcia Carrillo <garciadan@uniovi.es> Fri, 22 January 2021 19:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ace] call for adoption for draft-marin-ace-wg-coap-eap
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Hi Michael,

I hope the last email answered your questions.

Best Regards,

Dan.

El 22/01/2021 a las 17:38, Michael Richardson escribió:
> Mohit Sethi M <mohit.m.sethi@ericsson.com> wrote:
>      > Is your concern only in the context of IoT or do you think in general
>      > we are better off using protocols directly without the EAP framework
>      > overhead?
>
> EAP is designed to be used within a protocol, to interact with AAA
> infrastructure.   Use within 802.1X, and IKEv2 has been great.
> The purpose of which is to authenticate a relationship, and provide keying material.
>
> This document claims to be useful between two peers, then goes on to
> acknowledge that there are more entities involved.
>
> 1) If we aren't talking about IoT, why would we be talking about CoAP?
>
> 2) I haven't seen a use case for this yet.
>
> 3) If you are trying to produce keying material for OSCORE, and EDHOC is not
>     to your liking, and you want *TLS* involved, then just use DTLS or ATLAS or cTLS.
>     You can run your favourite EAP methods within TLS if you want to.
>
> --
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