Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become POSTs
Jacob Hoffman-Andrews <jsha@eff.org> Fri, 31 August 2018 19:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become POSTs
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On 08/31/2018 07:25 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > The problem with using POST-as-GET for certificate resources, as > Felipe I think pointed out, is that the thing that downloads the > certificate URL is often not an ACME player, doesn't have an account, > etc. It's a web server or something. (cf. the STAR drafts.) What I'm > saying is that it's painful to make them integrate with ACME and we > don't get any benefit. AFAIK, no current ACME client hands off certificate URLs to less-privileged processes. Keeping GETs for certificates undermines the goal of making the POST-as-GET change. Certificate resources may be constructed in enumerable ways, like: /account/100/certificate/3438 /account/201/certificate/3439 /account/100/certificate/3440* While many CAs may not consider correlation of certificates by account to be sensitive, our goal with this change is to eliminate a footgun for CAs who do consider it sensitive, by simply ensuring all requests are authenticated by default. Consistent authentication also has the potential to simplify by client and server libraries. I think it would be a mistake to carve out this exception in the main ACME spec for use cases that are still speculative. Instead, if there is a use case that truly requires unauthenticated certificate retrieval, it should be defined as an extension or an optional feature. In short, I think certificates should be POST-as-GET just like the other resources. *Note: I'm aware that certificate serial numbers must be randomized, but there is no requirement that the certificate serial number be present in the URL.
- [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become POS… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Adam Roach
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Felipe Gasper
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Felipe Gasper
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Nico Williams
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Tim Hollebeek
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Daniel McCarney
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Daniel McCarney
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Daniel McCarney
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Nico Williams
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Daniel McCarney
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Nico Williams
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Adam Roach
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Adam Roach
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Nico Williams
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Felix Fontein
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Adam Roach
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Erica Portnoy
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Alan Doherty
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Erica Portnoy
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Adam Roach
- Re: [Acme] ACME breaking change: Most GETs become… Alan Doherty