Re: [Add] [Ext] new draft: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00

Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> Wed, 17 July 2019 23:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Add] [Ext] new draft: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00
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On Jul 17, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Tommy Jensen <Jensen.Thomas=40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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> I appreciate the intent behind this draft to allow DNS-capable apps to detect if configured DNS resolvers need to be deferred to. However, I agree with Ralf that NXDOMAIN is the wrong way to signal that.
> 
> What about defining a new TXT record format to signal the presence of policies? This has the benefits of 1) not overloading the interpretation of whether the domain exists or not as well as 2) giving room for future flexibility beyond the binary "resolver (does|does not) have DNS policies in place you shouldn't bypass" signal.

Please see <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sah-resolver-information/> for a proposal that is being discussed in the DNSOP WG. It proposes a message format (JSON) and two transports (DNS and HTTPS) that can be used by a resolver for lots of things, including the policy ideas in the draft that this thread is about.

Discussion of draft-sah-resolver-information should be on the DNSOP list. There will be a slot in the meeting next week to discuss it.

--Paul Hoffman