Re: [Add] Malware quickly adopting DoH

Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@gmail.com> Tue, 10 September 2019 07:29 UTC

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2019, 22:16 Bret Jordan, <jordan.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just making sure people here have seen this..
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> https://www.proofpoint.com/us/threat-insight/post/psixbot-now-using-google-dns-over-https-and-possible-new-sexploitation-module
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One can only wonder how rapidly they adopted HTTPS to evade the "content
fingerprinting" of anti-malware in the late 90s and early 2000s, and how
the adoption curves compare?

Similarly for adopting Tor, also, of course.

And WebRTC and Skype.

Not to mention those clever malware authors who hardcode IP addresses -
that was a tremendous innovation in cyber badware.

Or were you suggesting that "innovation happens and bad people adopt it as
well as good" somehow constitutes and argument towards some end?

-a





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