Re: [Alldispatch] Tombstones, Taking draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry-03 forward

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Sat, 27 January 2024 22:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Alldispatch] Tombstones, Taking draft-thomson-gendispatch-no-expiry-03 forward
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2024, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> In the circles I frequent, there's a decent number of links to the
> html(ized) version of a draft, such as
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-kitten-gssapi-v3-guide-to
> where "expired" is hiding in a sidebar that I (at least) have trained
> myself to basically ignore. ...

If that's the problem, it'd be easy enough to adjust the CSS to put a big 
blinking overlay that says BEN, IT'S DEAD.  It wouldn't even be all that 
hard to add a button to call out to the datatracker to get the most recent 
status.

Once again, I would like to understand what problem we are trying to 
solve.   Minor tweaks to web page formatting don't seem like a big deal.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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