Re: [alto] P2P CDN integrated in Wikipedia

I agree with the huge number of Wikipedia users, but Victor's point makes sense. The demand for a service like alto depends on the pain the generated traffic causes to the ISPs-why bother if you can squeeze out an improvement of lower digit percent (the voice of devil's advocate in me ;) )?

A related question, does anybody know of Akamai's position for alto-like services for their NetSession solution? I am not aware of how prominent this is anyway though I read somewhere that it is being used for distribution of games.

Cheers,
 Ivica

From: alto-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:alto-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David A. Bryan
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:41 AM
To: Victor Grishchenko
Cc: alto@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [alto] P2P CDN integrated in Wikipedia

Your statements are true from a bandwidth perspective, but that misses the point. From a total number of users perspective, I think that wikipedia has more users. My grandmother doesn't use bit torrent. As more mainstream apps (including you tube) -- regardless of total bandwith numbers today -- start to use p2p, the more you will need services like alto. It is a consequence of the shared access media.

On Sep 30, 2010 6:05 AM, "Victor Grishchenko" <victor.grishchenko@gmail.com<mailto:victor.grishchenko@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On 29 September 2010 21:16, David A. Bryan <dbryan@ethernot.org<mailto:dbryan@ethernot.org>> wrote:
>> Seems to me that the more that this kind of technology gets
>> incorporated into more "mainstream" applications (yeah, I know, more
>> people probably download video from BitTorrent than use Wikipedia,
>> but...), the higher the likelihood we will start seeing last mile
>> network issues, and the more motivation for things like ALTO and
>> DECADE.
>
> Sorry, that is laughable. Wikipedia's video is nothing compared to
> BitTorrent, YouTube, etc. Maybe, in some years it will catch up...
>
>> Does anyone know if any of the folks working on this (I know we have
>> some P2P-Next folks, or at least folks who are in touch with them) are
>> on the ALTO list? If this gets incorporated more widely into Wikipedia
>> in the future, this may be a very nice open, public source of data on
>> the problem, and possible test bed for the ALTO work as we move
>> forward.
>
> I'm in touch with them.
> I think, regarding the data you need, at this moment it is way more
> practical to measure existing BitTorrent networks. There are lots of
> publications and data on the subject, including those made by P2P-Next
> people.
> Video on Wikipedia is sorta starting to take off, but in most of the
> cases, those are 5-10MB short animated illustrations.
> Infrastructure-wise, that is negligible.
>
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Enrico Marocco
>> <enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.it<mailto:enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.it>> wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> in case someone has not noticed it yet, Wikimedia has just announced the
>>> adoption of a BitTorrent-based technology for distributing multimedia
>>> content in their websites, including Wikipedia:
>>>
>>> http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2010/09/video-labs-p2p-next-community-cdn-for-video-distribution/
>>>
>>> I thought this may be of some interest for people on this list, both for the
>>> wide diffusion of the free content available on such websites, and as food
>>> for thought regarding the CDN use-case that has recently received quite
>>> attention around here.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ciao,
>>> Enrico
>>>
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> Victor