Re: [Anima] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-anima-reference-model-08: (with COMMENT)

"Michael H. Behringer" <michael.h.behringer@gmail.com> Thu, 25 October 2018 08:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Anima] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-anima-reference-model-08: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Ben, thanks for your review!

Yes, we're a bit "verbose" with those topics. There was a consistent 
worry all through our work to distinguish phase 1 and phase 2 work, and 
to not let phase 2 work creep into phase 1. So we probably erred on the 
more "explicit" wording, trying to make REALLY sure everybody 
understands what's in scope for phase 1 or not.

Unless you have a real concern at some specific points, I would prefer 
to not open those debates again. Yes, from a language point of view 
there is redundancy, but at least we're being very clear.

Michael


On 25/10/2018 04:33, Ben Campbell wrote:
>
>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 8:10 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> On 2018-10-25 12:08, Ben Campbell wrote:
>> ....
>>
>>> Thanks for the work on this. I just have one editorial comment:
>>>
>>> - Several sections describe themselves as being for "informational purposes".
>>> Given that this is an informational document, isn't that true of all sections?
>> Those sections are among the ones tagged (*) as per:
>>
>>>>    Some topics are considered architecturally
>>>>    in this document, but are not yet reflected in the implementation
>>>>    specifications.  They are marked with an (*).
>> Possibly the (*) is sufficient and the phrase you mention can be removed.
> I think that could help. Or alternatively, put a few extra words in the (*) sections to remind people what it means :-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben.