Re: [Anima] draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-acp-02.txt
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 16 June 2021 02:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Anima] draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-acp-02.txt
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I think this works. Is there an established API for accessing LLDP? One comment: > Unicast traffic between two control plane CPUs > should not be a problem, so actual ACP traffic could be sent just fine, as > long as it is only unicast. Some ACP traffic will be multicast, of course, but *over* the unicast pt2pt links that carry the ACP VRF. So yes, it's unicast from the link's PoV. Regards Brian Carpenter On 16-Jun-21 12:59, Michael Richardson wrote: > > WG, after some thinking, I have revised this document from problem statement > to a proposed solution. > > The short of it is that the problem is multicast/broadcast, such as done for > ND, DAD and GRASP-DULL. Unicast traffic between two control plane CPUs > should not be a problem, so actual ACP traffic could be sent just fine, as > long as it is only unicast. > > So the problem isn't ACP operation (IKEv2, IPsec, TCP for BRSKI onboarding), > but GRASP-DULL discovery! This was my thought a few weeks ago. > > My answer is to embed the GRASP DULL CBOR inside an LLDP TLV. > The only only issue is that each GRASP M_FLOOD message contains a session-id, > which I think needs to change upon each M_FLOOD that is sent. It would be > better for LLDP, as I understand it, if each message could be identical, > unless there is an actual change to the contents. > (Annoyingly, "session-id" does not appear in RFC8990 Section 2.7 on Session > Identifier) > > I can't identify an impact of not changing it when the LLDP is retransmitted. > > > internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > Title: Autonomic Control Plane design for Layer-Two Switched Networks > > Document date: 2021-06-15 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 6 > > (it got shorter!) > > > Html: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-acp-02.html > > > > Abstract: > > This document proposes a design for an L2 aware Autonomic Control > > Plane that can be deployed easily to layer-two (Ethernet) switched > > technologies that are common on Campus/Enterprise network > > architectures. > > > This document leverages the hop-by-hop announcement used in LLDP, but > > runs bulk data over normal IPv6 Link-Local unicast ethernet frames. > > > > > > > -- > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > > > _______________________________________________ > Anima mailing list > Anima@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima >
- [Anima] draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-acp-02… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-ac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-ac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-ac… Brian E Carpenter