Re: [Anima] draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-acp-02.txt

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 16 June 2021 02:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Anima] draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-acp-02.txt
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I think this works. Is there an established API for accessing LLDP?

One comment:

> Unicast traffic between two control plane CPUs
> should not be a problem, so actual ACP traffic could be sent just fine, 
as
> long as it is only unicast.

Some ACP traffic will be multicast, of course, but *over* the unicast pt2pt links that carry the ACP VRF. So yes, it's unicast from the link's PoV.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 16-Jun-21 12:59, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> WG, after some thinking, I have revised this document from problem statement
> to a proposed solution.
> 
> The short of it is that the problem is multicast/broadcast, such as done for
> ND, DAD and GRASP-DULL.   Unicast traffic between two control plane CPUs
> should not be a problem, so actual ACP traffic could be sent just fine, 
as
> long as it is only unicast.
> 
> So the problem isn't ACP operation (IKEv2, IPsec, TCP for BRSKI onboarding),
> but GRASP-DULL discovery!   This was my thought a few weeks ago.
> 
> My answer is to embed the GRASP DULL CBOR inside an LLDP TLV.
> The only only issue is that each GRASP M_FLOOD message contains a session-id,
> which I think needs to change upon each M_FLOOD that is sent.  It would 
be
> better for LLDP, as I understand it, if each message could be identical,
> unless there is an actual change to the contents.
> (Annoyingly, "session-id" does not appear in RFC8990 Section 2.7 on Session
> Identifier)
> 
> I can't identify an impact of not changing it when the LLDP is retransmitted.
> 
> 
> internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>     > Title:		Autonomic Control Plane design for Layer-Two Switched Networks
>     > Document date:	2021-06-15
>     > Group:		Individual Submission
>     > Pages:		6
> 
> (it got shorter!)
> 
>     > Html:           https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-richardson-anima-l2-friendly-acp-02.html
> 
> 
>     > Abstract:
>     > This document proposes a design for an L2 aware Autonomic Control
>     > Plane that can be deployed easily to layer-two (Ethernet) switched
>     > technologies that are common on Campus/Enterprise network
>     > architectures.
> 
>     > This document leverages the hop-by-hop announcement used in LLDP, 
but
>     > runs bulk data over normal IPv6 Link-Local unicast ethernet frames.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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