Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSKI - Reg
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Sun, 15 July 2018 07:19 UTC
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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSKI - Reg
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Owen, I've associated draft-friel-brski-over-802dot11 to anima so folks will see it in data tracker. Next time post new work for a particular WG with draft-<group>-<friel>-<whatever>, that will make it happen automatically. 2.1.1.1) There is no need to bother the MASA with sales integration just so that the owner will know whether or not it owns a particular device. Any protocol from the manufacturer/reseller to the owner will suffice. I recommend carrier pidgeons with USB sticks trained to insert them into a USB slot releasing a food portion. Great protection against against unrecognize NSA interception of the channel especially for vendors products on the NSA shortlist ;-)) Kidding aside: A standard protocol for sales information disemination would be great, and given how its for bootstrap automation it would be fine for ANIMA. I would jus resist of mixing it with BRSKI/MASA unless there is clear evidence of not keeping it modular. Especially given how it cold come from the reseller, and nothe vendor. 2.1.1.2) This read a bit confused. I think it should mention two methods: One is the aove mentioned to know what you own - independent of MASA (yor last sentence in 2.1.1.2 confused this option with the MASA). The other option is just to try the MASA in the absence of better information. BUT: If you only try the MASA, you should only do this automatically if you do know the MASA has sales integation. Otherwise you better include a manual checkpoint before enrollment. 2.1.2) This section is a bit unmotivated even though its part of the best solution, but that solution requires more details than just WiFi. Aka: You want to allow announcement (using any of the options you specified) of open access SSID that allow to connect to cloud-registrars. These do not even have to be free internet access. Ideally we would think about an unencrypted channel to the cloud registrar that relies only on authenticated but unencrypted messages. That way the owner of the AP can veryify and constrict communications to only cloud-registrar-enrollment so that this access is not as a side-channel to gain full internet access. TLS 1.2 still allows zero-encryption, that would be the easiest option. TLS 1.3 removed it *sigh*. Note also that we have not defined cloud-registrar behavior. I think Eliot wold jus like to add something like WiFi SSID to vouchers, but i would rather like to see it as a separate "next-step after enrolment" message Cheers Toerless
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… 'Toerless Eckert'
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Anoop Kumar Pandey
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Anoop Kumar Pandey
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… 'Toerless Eckert'
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Anoop Kumar Pandey
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson
- [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSKI - … Anoop Kumar Pandey
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson
- [Anima] "Rogue" Domains vs audit-only MASA polici… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] "Rogue" Domains vs audit-only MASA po… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] "Rogue" Domains vs audit-only MASA po… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Anoop Kumar Pandey
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [Anima] "Rogue" Domains vs audit-only MASA po… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] Revision of scope of MASA in the BRSK… Michael Richardson