[Anima] Use of M_FLOOD for discovery of Proxy

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 12 June 2017 15:45 UTC

Return-Path: <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Original-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: anima@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91ECC129C67 for <anima@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.902
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y_v89z1lresd for <anima@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466C212940E for <anima@ietf.org>; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DBE203B8; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:39:57 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2386B636BB; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:38:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Anima WG <anima@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <e24d09bd-9497-3066-7659-895c664bb248@gmail.com>
References: <149566389334.8737.940293315082013190@ietfa.amsl.com> <e24d09bd-9497-3066-7659-895c664bb248@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1
X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m<nPbLgmtKK-5dC@#:k
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:38:52 -0400
Message-ID: <2540.1497281932@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/anima/wEphOmjJDvJhFxKtuRbkD9RQpCk>
Subject: [Anima] Use of M_FLOOD for discovery of Proxy
X-BeenThere: anima@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach <anima.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/anima>, <mailto:anima-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/anima/>
List-Post: <mailto:anima@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:anima-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima>, <mailto:anima-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:45:01 -0000

{note subject line change}

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> 3.1.1.  Proxy Discovery Protocol Details
    >>
    >> The proxy uses the GRASP M_FLOOD mechanism to announce itself.  This
    >> announcement is done with the same message as the ACP announcement
    >> detailed in [I-D.ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane].

    bc> Can we make it:

    bc> This announcement SHOULD be done with the same message...
    bc> That's only an optimisation, really.

Agreed.  I think we all agree that the announcement of the proxy
(and the search for ACP peers) is something that M_FLOOD is good for.

    bc> (After the discussion back in Berlin, we added a feature to
    bc> M_FLOOD to allow arbitrary locators to be attached to a given
    bc> flood message. I thought that was what the BRSKI team wanted
    bc> at that time. Seems not.)

yes, we asked for two locators to be attached to a flood message so that we
could announce ACP and Proxy in the same message.  Given the experience
with rate limiting that you experienced, this seems doubly prudent since
this M_FLOOD will occur outside any ACP, and will have to traverse any
number of layer-2 devices.

(This will be worse at the beginning of ANIMA deployment, as the layer-2
devices will not be ACP aware, but will get better as more devices get with
the program...)

So, let's leave this part, which is
    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-06#section-3.1.1

As there is no dispute about it, I think.
If it should be named AN_PROXY, that's fine.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
 -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-